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Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by nemo44x »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #134
nemo44x wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I asked is why is the word “impacted” suddenly being used everywhere when it never has been for these types events before. It’s so pervasive that you and another commentator just assumed it’s typically used (it never has been until recently) and you overlooked the actual question and decides to explain an obvious thing.

Re-read the post. It clearly says "we are going to reduce the team size, which will impact 28% of the people". It's not just saying "We are restructuring and 28% of people will be impacted", it clearly says that they will lose their job. People answer you off the mark (according to you) because your question is nonsense to begin with.

It clearly says this:

> This decision will impact 28% of the Prisma team, and those affected have already been notified via personal and work email.

Do you see the English word “impact”? The word “impacted” comes from this. This has been used over and over in this context by many companies and people. So my question was why has this word suddenly come into vogue for this type of event? Why not layoff or w/e was always used?

Do you have an answer to that?

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by cebert »

Is there a communication strategy that recommends that the heads of companies state that they “take full responsibility”? This seems to be a common statement in the recent layoff memos, but it doesn’t appear that the C-suite ever faces substantial consequences.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by simplotek »

beardedman wrote: post #139

I'd be interested to know the age (or any other) demographic of HN'ers commenting on posts like these. Lot of people sounding very personally slighted by companies trying to remain profitable (or just in business).

> Lot of people sounding very personally slighted by companies trying to remain profitable (or just in business).

Do you really need to make an effort to figure out why employees feel slighted for being fired without notice, and specially by an employer whose profitability is not questioned?

You made it sound like only unreasonable people would be bothered by being forced out of a job while having rent/mortgage and bills to pay.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

phoe-krk wrote: post #73
Keyframe wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean something like OKRs+KPIs, sales quotas, revenue targets, budgets…

All these that you mentioned are metrics for measuring responsibility towards the company and its shareholders. I mean metrics for measuring responsibility towards the people , especially the laid-off ones - there seems to be absolutely none of these.

> I mean metrics for measuring responsibility towards the people, especially the laid-off ones - there seems to be absolutely none of these.

Of course there is none, so I'm always puzzled when company representatives mention 'loyalty' or implicitly suggest unpaid overtime.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by atdrummond »

winter_squirrel wrote: post #79
atdrummond wrote: post #38

If I ever had to layoff a double digit number of employees, I would also layoff myself. I couldn’t in good conscience externalize the impact of my bad decisions on employees whilst leaving myself unaffected.

As a counterpart, if you have to layoff that many people, is it really the right time to also put the stress of a leadership shift into the company? I can see the argument for this triggering an eventual change, but having _both_ the chock of a CEO change _and_ 28% of the company being layed off at the same time seems unwise.

Where did I say that I, in this hypothetical, would leave immediately? If the whole point is that I’ve realized I’m damaging the firm with my actions, why uncharitably assume I would choose an exit path that exacerbated the damage I already caused?

The point is to make some sort of communication that you’re taking on board the consequences of your action, consequences that go well beyond trite platitudes of how difficult the process has been and how next time will be different.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by simplotek »

phoe-krk wrote: post #99
AdrianB1 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is this responsibility defined? For sure not seppuku. Probably nothing will happen. In big companies it is a golden parachute, but this is not a big company.

> Probably nothing will happen. That's what I'm worried about and that's why I'm calling BS on this. The executive uses big words like "responsibility", I'd like to know what concrete measures are then hidden behind it.

> That's what I'm worried about and that's why I'm calling BS on this.

Didn't Microsoft execs put on a lavish party in the eve of announcing firing thousands without notice?

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by varsketiz »

There's many comments about what does "I the take full responsibility mean" in these threads about layoffs. I'm curious - what do you think it means and should mean? I take that a company offering better severance than required by law is taking at least some responsibility.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by bpicolo »

puika wrote: post #126

I defaulted to Prisma for edge apps I'm experimenting with (supabase db). Given it's not possible to connect via TCP to a database and I'm stuck with JS/TS for the edge, I opted for Prisma's data proxy and henceforth Prisma. Using the ORM means I'm tied to this mess of an abstraction, migrations and scripts that require so many workarounds and experimentation to make it worthwhile when your app is not a simple CRUD o…

> ngrok will work, but then you'd need to constantly update your data proxy project settings manually

If you pay for ngrok you get a stable hostname. That said...looks like their price has decreased somewhat dramatically for an individual license. There are other competing services like https://expose.dev/#pro

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Post by Raed667 »

sofixa wrote: post #113
Raed667 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep asking the same question about Vercel and no one wants to give an answer.

A company like Vercel needs significant infrastructure and the people associated with it, as well as supporting admin (HR, lawyers, accountants), proper customer support (for 24/7 coverage so that can be quite a lot of people), UI/UX people, documentation/education people, etc. etc. Of course also sales and account managers, presales engineers. Just because you think you can make their product in a weekend all on you…

They're valued (Nov 2021) at $2.5 billion. They seem to have +430 employees.

At its core, their paid product is a thin layer over AWS and CloudFlare.

I'm not saying I don't like the product, I'm saying this doesn't make sense to me.

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