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Re: WordPress has left the building

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post #101

I'm mainly tired of helping friends and clients fix Wordpress security breaches. That's why I've been working on a clean php5.3+ alternative: http://www.elefantcms.com/

I usually try to be respectful of anybody making the effort of publishing open source code, but I'm getting pretty tired of you spamming your CMS everywhere I look.

Especially since it is made up of exactly the same kind of procedural spaghetti that makes WordPress such a joy to work with... "clean php5.3+" my ass.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Hello everyone, I'm Kevinjohn Gallagher, the author of the post. While I really appreciate all the comments, quite a few folks here have made presumptions that are really wide of the mark. I love WordPress. I use it for my personal site, and thats not going to change. WordPress is very good at what it does, and Im in no way down on it for that; its just that the needs of my small company is now very different that th…

> So much of the change involved in the WordPress product is horribly unmanaged.

As the volunteer admin of a small blog network, I cannot agree more.

Having to upgrade whole versions just to get a security fix is terrible practice, but I'm forced to do it.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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post #22

After about 10 minutes with Plone, a few months with Joomla, about 2 years with Drupal, and finally 3 years with WordPress, I think WordPress is still a brilliant solution for lots of problems. The closest competitor, Drupal, is an absolute nightmare. For designers, developers and certainly for the end user. It still doesn't even ship with a wysiwyg editor—hard to disagree that this is precisely what the end user wan…

Drupal is halfway between an application framework (like Ruby) and a CMS (like Wordpress). For complex, content-driven sites there's nothing out there that comes close to providing the functionality that it does. It's definitely overkill for a simple Wordpress style use case, where you have a user who wants to post to a blog. But it provides a lot of the functionality that the OP listed as missing from Wordpress. The…

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Re: WordPress has left the building

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The author does not understand that if a theme is designed properly, an admin can mark comment as spam without editing the post. In addition, just about every single thing he thinks core Wordpress lacks can be added easily with a plug-in.

Sir, you have missed the point. You need the CAPABILITY to be able to edit posts to be able to mark comments as spam. Many of my clients want to be able to delegate SPAM marking, but not have that person be able to edit any content on the website. WordPress has hardcoded these two CAPABILITIES together for the last 13 releases.

What about using spam filters + Disqus?

<1% of spam gets through by using spam filters.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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post #101

I'm mainly tired of helping friends and clients fix Wordpress security breaches. That's why I've been working on a clean php5.3+ alternative: http://www.elefantcms.com/

Why the downvote? I'm not exaggerating, I've seen several Wordpress sites hacked in the past few months, one of them several times (after they reinstalled and updated from scratch too). I know it's a target because it's popular, but it also has a long track record of security issues, and isn't particularly well written code...

On the other hand, alternatives like Drupal are just too complicated for users, which leads to them simply not keeping their sites updated. So I'm building an alternative that focuses on minimalism, so it's lightweight and fast, and easy because it's uncluttered.

Obviously I have a long way to go in terms of supporting the plethora of plugins Wordpress users enjoy, but I've got a solid showing already for being a 6-month-old project. I've been implementing CMSes for about 12 years now, from newspaper and university sites to simple ma & pa sites, so I've personally made all of the mistakes you can make and learned what does and doesn't work.

So I don't mean to just disparage Wordpress, but it's a platform that's been stretched far beyond its central purpase and it shows, and I think an alternative is due.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Hello everyone, I'm Kevinjohn Gallagher, the author of the post. While I really appreciate all the comments, quite a few folks here have made presumptions that are really wide of the mark. I love WordPress. I use it for my personal site, and thats not going to change. WordPress is very good at what it does, and Im in no way down on it for that; its just that the needs of my small company is now very different that th…

Welcome to software. If it isn't changing, it's probably been abandoned.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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All the things he listed that WordPress doesn't have are the reasons why I like it. With the exception of better caching/CDN integration, I like that WordPress is simple, straightforward, and super hackable with plugins and theme functions. A lot of people don't even know all the capabilities. Few know about the WP Transients capabilities, for example. They're quite powerful and useful.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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post #141
post #101

I'm mainly tired of helping friends and clients fix Wordpress security breaches. That's why I've been working on a clean php5.3+ alternative: http://www.elefantcms.com/

I usually try to be respectful of anybody making the effort of publishing open source code, but I'm getting pretty tired of you spamming your CMS everywhere I look. Especially since it is made up of exactly the same kind of procedural spaghetti that makes WordPress such a joy to work with... "clean php5.3+" my ass.

Just because I'm not using PSR-0 in my core (which has its issues, not the least of which is unnecessary verbosity, esp. for core classes in a framework), doesn't mean my code is spaghetti.

And I'm not spamming when I contribute an anecdote or other information to a discussion, or when I post a request for feedback on r/php. Startups come to HN to post their launches and updates all the time and it's not spam. Go look at the front page right now and count the number of open source projects making announcements. I've made exactly one story submission to HN about my project, and I've mentioned it while contributing to a discussion a total of four times in six months.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Wait so he's complaining that a free piece of software that is designed to "create a beautiful website or blog" (from Wordpress.org) doesn't cut it as a high powered CMS? I think if we're honest, wordpress is a blogging platform and if you try to deform it into your own little niche needs, you need to accept the inherent risks.

yes, he is complaining that a blog software is not good enough for his clients corporate sites , for his clients like American Express , BP, MTV , BBC etc.

complaining that a passanger plane is not good enough to travel to outer space ...

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