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Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by dpaleka »

goodside wrote: post #35

Hello HN — I’m the coauthor of this post. You may remember me as that guy who spent most of 2022 posting GPT-3 screenshots to Twitter, most famously prompt injection and “You are GPT-3”. Happy to answer any questions about Claude that I can.

[I mean no bad faith in this comment, I'm a fan of yours.]

Why answer questions about harmlessness/safety in such a roundabout way? Both OpenAI and Anthropic are clear about what words like "safe" are intended to mean: a stepping stone to "AI does not kill all people when given control".

Avoiding to state this clearly only invites unnecessary culture war disagreements in every discussion about these models.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by decremental »

viraptor wrote: post #134
flanked-evergl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember Microsoft's Tay? Ah, right, it was shut within days because it quickly became an asshole. If we consider the context, which is not something that posts on twitter under Microsoft's brand name, but something you communicate with in private. Who exactly are you worried about here, the person who will prospectively coerce the language model into being an asshole? If they don't want to do that, they could just…

> the person who will prospectively coerce the language model into being an asshole? The language models are trained on internet content already. If you ignore ethics, it means you're feeding it bias and racism along with everything else. Chatgpt is not blatant about it normally but I'm sure you've seen examples like "write a function that takes a race argument and returns length of prison sentence" where it obviousl…

I'm sure by now there is enough content on the internet that says racism is bad. It's got to outnumber racist things said online by like a million to one. Why not just let the model learn what it learns? If people care so much about racism then that should reflect naturally in the model.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by anhner »

_pdp_ wrote: post #119
anhner wrote: post #60

I'm hoping of one day running GPT3/ChatGPT on my local computer, similarly to how one can run Stable Diffusion now. I would love to have a personal conversation with these AI systems, use them as a sort of assistant, without the worry of being spied on. At the moment I can't use it as more than a glorified search engine, because of the privacy implications of running it on the cloud.

These models are way too big for consumer hardware.

Is it bigger than the Stable Diffusion model? (4-5 GB)

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by Valakas_ »

danielbln wrote: post #133
anhner wrote: post #60

I'm hoping of one day running GPT3/ChatGPT on my local computer, similarly to how one can run Stable Diffusion now. I would love to have a personal conversation with these AI systems, use them as a sort of assistant, without the worry of being spied on. At the moment I can't use it as more than a glorified search engine, because of the privacy implications of running it on the cloud.

There will always be an edge to these massively operated central models that you can't easily run at home, due to compute and cost. Things like 4-bit quantization will help making these foundational models significantly easier to operate on smaller hardware, and of course you might not need a foundational model for manby local usecases, but maybe a smaller, more specialized LLM is enough (those can even be trained by…

Heh. Computers used fill an entire room, and cost the equivalent of a house. And now everyone carries one way more powerful in their pockets for the cost of a few meals in a restaurant.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by anhner »

spi wrote: post #95
anhner wrote: post #60

I'm hoping of one day running GPT3/ChatGPT on my local computer, similarly to how one can run Stable Diffusion now. I would love to have a personal conversation with these AI systems, use them as a sort of assistant, without the worry of being spied on. At the moment I can't use it as more than a glorified search engine, because of the privacy implications of running it on the cloud.

There's not much of an alternative: even if compute power gets extraordinarily cheap / models are very optimized, either you have a very, very large hard drive, or you have to use the internet for that. You just can't hope to have a model that is trained to know everything in a smallish file, the weights need to be at least as heavy as an ideally compressed version of all the things it knows (which is of course much…

Does it need all that much space though? I mean Stable Diffusion was trained on hundreds of terrabytes of images, and the model only needs 4-5 GB of hardware space and a decent GPU to run.

I haven't read anywhere any stats about GPT3/ChatGPT yet (like how big the model is)

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by flanked-evergl »

phonebucket wrote: post #139
flanked-evergl wrote: post #87

> Claude feels not only safer but more fun than ChatGPT. I may be the minority here, but I really don't concern myself with ChatGPT safety and I am not entirely sure what the reason is why people are very worried about its safetly. It is safer than most things I have in my house, including a kettle, a saw, a hammer, a screwdriver, my actual PC, every kitchen appliance I have. Of course it can be misused, like any too…

> Of course it can be misused, like any tool, but no amount of safety features in ChatGPT will make users of it more or less careful in their use of it. If someone using ChatGPT cares nothing for using it safely then it will likely end poorly, just like it will end poorly if I use a hammer without any care for using it safely. I'm not worried about hammers when I have them. I'm worried about hammers when someone who…

> Same with ChatGPT.

I get this to some extent, I just really fail to see how the safetyisms applied to ChatGPT is really going to protect anyone, so I would appreciate if you could elaborate on this.

One way which has somewhat been proven is, that through lowering the barrier to entry for writing software it has lowered the barrier to entry for writing malicious software, because malicious software is a kind of software. But the list of things that have lowered the barrier to entry for writing software is staggering, and to me ChatGPT is really just an increment on this. It may be a big and significant increment, but not as big as everything that preceded it in my view, so if we are to assign blame fairly, then most of it does not go to ChatGPT.

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by logicallee »

misja111 wrote: post #49
logicallee wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT is extraordinarily good at following your requests for the format and style of its response. If you want very short terse words, just ask! For example "In a few very concise terse words, explain the idea behind heapsort. Be very brief, use just a few words." It's offline now so I can't test it but I expect the result to be good.

ChatGPT's response to your prompt: > Heapsort: sort by building heap.

ouch. I just tried it, I think it did okay: https://imgur.com/a/4Y5SAeD

What do you think?

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by touringa »

code51 wrote: post #15
LeoPanthera wrote: post #11

They say Claude is "more verbose", and claim this is a positive. I disagree. My biggest criticism of ChatGPT is that its answers are extraordinarily long and waffly. It sometimes reminds me of a scam artist trying to bamboozle me with words. I would much prefer short, concise, precise answers.

You are able to prompt ChatGPT to be concise, you know? They set a default and showed it to the world. It is up to you to tune it according to your preference.

lol!

Excellent candidate for https://www.reddit.com/r/dontyouknowwhoiam/

Re: Meet “Claude”: Anthropic’s rival to ChatGPT

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Post by jpeeler »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #115
goodside wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I’m the coauthor of this post.) The concern in Anthropic’s case I suspect is less about present-day misuse and more about long-term safety, e.g. in a hypothetical where the model has control over real-world systems and could more literally harm someone.

If someone gives a language model the capability for unfettered interaction with the physical world, and they are not liable for the consequences, then no safety feature of Claude can save us. And if they are liable, that is the primary mechanism which will ensure they take necessary steps to avoid negative consequences.

How many years until we have an AI decision making system that requires human approval convincing the human its decision is best, ending in catastrophe? (Sorry, posed merely for thought and not for dismissal of current/future achievements.)

Makes me also wonder if you had two polarized bots arguing/discussing with each other, how long would it take for one to convince the other?

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