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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by flumpcakes » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

Speaking on the topic of Reddit and mods and it's power structure:

In the UK Reddit has pushed a new subreddit called "HeyUK". It has turned up in the subscription feeds for some (all?) UK users automatically without the user asking for it or adding it. If you remove it from your list of subreddits the posts will still show up in your feed as "sponsored". As far as I can see this new subreddit is seeded with just cross posts from other UK subreddits and is created/pushed by Reddit itself.

The big issue I have is that this is just another subreddit with 15-odd random people who are the mods. These people have the unilateral power to shape discourse and be the arbiter of what is "UK" and what isn't.

Reddit is getting a bit too big, this feels very strange. On the swing-back we then have Reddit not banning the "jailbait" subreddit until it made major US news.

I have no idea what's going on with social media anymore, I'm just left with the overwhelming feeling that the people with the voice and the power are not the best of us.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jasonkolb » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

Reddit is a worse echo chamber than Twitter ever was.

I gave up on it when I got banned from certain subreddits for posting quotes from congressional testimony. If you post anything that deviates in the slightest from the moderator's viewpoint, you get banned.

The end result is an echo chamber that's getting tighter and smaller, excluding any diversity of opinion. It's no way to run a business.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by ilyt » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:58 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #121

tazjin wrote: post #3

Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.

I was a moderator for r/robots for awhile. I even spent a few hundred dollars hiring an artist to create a theme. I begged them to help me pin down what the subreddit was about since the submissions were all over the place, and some people seemed to think it was for a certain type of robot content and others a different type. Most ignored the question. I tried to share articles and videos of actual leading edge robot…

Good for them. You obviously wanted something else than the actual users.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by bufferoverflow » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:58 PM UTC

splatzone wrote: post #119

bufferoverflow wrote: post #106

And that's the argument I've been making. Once you can't tell the difference between AI-made art and human-made art, the demand for human-made art will dramatically decrease, especially in the commercial areas. If it takes a human a month to paint something beautiful, and 1 minute for AI, it's really hard to compete with AI. The best we have is Midjourney V4, and it's getting quite close.

This is why I believe we’ll soon see a huge increase in the popularity of ‘physical’ art. Theatre, sculpture, dance… in a world overflowing with computer made images and sounds, things which can only be human-made will be all the more special.

You're assuming robots won't be able to sculpt, dance or theater.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by cat_plus_plus » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:58 PM UTC

Even if true, AI is just another tool and combined work of artists and AI can produce greater art than the artist alone. For example, natural world has a lot of repeated elements and hand painting each one detracts from time that could be spent on more expressive aspects of the work. Airplanes let us fly further and faster than birds, should that be avoided / considered not to be real flight just because we are getting technological assistance?

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by ilyt » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:59 PM UTC

shlubbert wrote: post #46

dragontamer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. This already is a huge step forward compared to Reddit, where you aren't even sure which subreddits are owned by the corporation / official groups, or if they're "fan run". Are you sure /r/Ubuntu is a fan-r…

Which companies do actually own and moderate their own subreddits? I have always treated all of them as unofficial, even if there are employees of the company that post periodically.

Some are pretty much modded semi-officially for corporate cucks that remove anything that might hurt their favourite corporation, even if community clearly wants to discuss the topic

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by danogentili » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 4:59 PM UTC

CuriouslyC wrote: post #7

geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

While we're at it we should publicly flog anyone who's ever done any art in the style of anyone else before them, because they also stole ideas from the public.

This stupid argument gets thrown around so much it's become really annoying, what really matters in art is the process, not the result; intent, not content.

A model randomly remixing human works to reach an approximated result that matches a few words inserted by a human cannot be put on the same plane as a human expressing a concept or inner feelings using knowledge he acquired by looking at other works.

When I look at art (be it paintings, stories, animation, or any other medium) I always think about the people behind it, what stories are they trying to tell, what life lessons and ideals are they trying to bring across the screen.

A text prompt absolutely cannot convey the same amount of meaning as a work of art that takes actual time to make and refine, and however amazing the output may look, it is inherently meaningless, with no human intent behind it to make something great and original.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by AlexandrB » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

cyborgx7 wrote: post #9

geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

Once again, artists trying to stake a claim of personal ownership of a section of human expression standing in the way of technological and cultural progress.

I would argue we're on the precipice of a cultural regress - where "content" on the internet goes from 95% junk to 99.5% junk since junk is getting so much easier to generate. Consider "Elsa-gate" on YouTube a few years ago for an example of this in action.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by ilyt » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

ithinkso wrote: post #51

WFHRenaissance wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a subreddit reaches a certain size voting tokens should be used to elect officials to run the subreddit. Quadratic voting with your vote ratio being a derivative of your activity on the subreddit to mitigate bot voting, et cetera.

I see subreddits the same as opensource projects in this regard - users have all the tools and rights to fork. And the mods/maintainers can run the original to the ground if they so wish

Not exactly that easy to tell users that is happening tho

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by danogentili » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

cyborgx7 wrote: post #9

geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

Once again, artists trying to stake a claim of personal ownership of a section of human expression standing in the way of technological and cultural progress.

I am horrified by the amount of people on the internet that value so lowly creative intent, the most important quality a human being has to offer to society.