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I know this is the article's title, and that this may sound as a tangent, but whoever destroyed the cave drawings were definitely not Vandals: > The Vandals were a Germanic people who first inhabited what is now southern Poland. They established Vandal kingdoms on the Iberian Peninsula, Mediterranean islands, and North Africa in the fifth century. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
I know this is the article's title, and that this may sound as a tangent, but whoever destroyed the cave drawings were definitely not Vandals: > The Vandals were a Germanic people who first inhabited what is now southern Poland. They established Vandal kingdoms on the Iberian Peninsula, Mediterranean islands, and North Africa in the fifth century. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
1. A person who needlessly destroys, defaces, or damages other people's property.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I don't really think this is THAT big of a deal. Yea, I know the art is old and all that and it really is unfortunate but its also the nature for all things to change. Maybe in another 30k years, we'll be looking at the defacement as an amazing piece of art that tells the story of the current social climate at this point in time, or something along those lines.
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If someone bombed the Vatican or the Kaaba would you consider that a very big deal?
We're not exactly talking Michelangelo here. Here's what the art looks like, and there's thousands of square meters of the stuff: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Finger-flutings-in-Koona...
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As someone keenly aware of the history of Australian country towns I have to ask .. when you talk to the old people in town that were born in the 1920s and 1930s did any of them talk about going out and beating up or shooting "trouble making" fringe dwellers? That was pretty commonplace right across Australia and leaves attitudes that persist for decades, not to mention the rounding up and confining by law to reserva…
Not really? Then again my town was predominantly German Lutheran when it comes to the oldies and they are much more reserved. Even if they held those opinions they would keep them to themselves. My experience with crime and indigenous folk was unfortunately much more personal. When I was ~13 a group of Aboriginal teenagers stole our car, proceeded to use it in a robbery and then left it burn out on the side of the hi…
S.A. then ? :-)
It's an ongoing battle with real grievances behind it all for sure - and people that hunt and kill to survive, even today, don't pull back on the violence when it arises.
It's rare to scratch an old town Australia and not find covered over 'genocide' like past events, and the rights given in 60s and 70s were very much a double edge sword for many, "now you can vote and we see you as people and not 'native animals' anymore - now fuck off and don't get in our eyeline".
The cure, although not simple, is respect and understanding and recognition of that, from both sides - albeit how hard such positions can be to reach.
My first move in country when I'm staying for any time is to see who the families are and to talk to some and to watch and see people.
That tends to minimise any trouble down the road, but there are few easy answers as yet.
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This makes me think they knew exactly what they were doing: > The vandals forced their way past barbed wire and dug under a steel gate to get into the Koonalda Caves If they just wanted to carve something spooky into a rock, there were plenty of way easier places to do so.
I guess this specific cave being so off limits might have fueled the idea of picking exactly that one, they might very well have been oblivious to the damage they were doing.
I know this is the article's title, and that this may sound as a tangent, but whoever destroyed the cave drawings were definitely not Vandals: > The Vandals were a Germanic people who first inhabited what is now southern Poland. They established Vandal kingdoms on the Iberian Peninsula, Mediterranean islands, and North Africa in the fifth century. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
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> It's important to preserve modernist and brutalist architecture Why?
> Why? Because history is as valuable to humanity as memory to the human.
I have a friend on a property with cave art here in the hunter valley of Australia. We really don't do enough to preserve it at all. He's responsible and ensures no harm but it's still weird to own private land with 10k+ year old art and have no one really give a damn about it. Compare it to European attitudes, eg. Lascaux where they closed off the cave completely and only allow tourists near the modern reconstructio…
I think it's because of a sense of ownership and belonging (or lack thereof). People who made the art in Lascaux are, in a distant sense, ancestors of the present-day French. Most of Australia is of British ancestry, transplanted in the past few hundred years. The majority of them, including their government, obviously don't consider the Aboriginal heritage as their own.