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2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by devmunchies »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #112

These comments are hilarious. Linux user community: Linux has been fine for casual users for years! Give it to your grandma, it's not a problem! Also Linux user community: Wait, you used an nVidia GPU in your build? What kind of idiot scrub are you? If there's one thing I've seen that's consistent with Linux users over the last two decades, it's been blaming users for all their Linux-related problems.

Linux scrub Q, does NVIDIA not use any Linux for themselves? Or is it a financial reason to ignore Linux?

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

My T440s has seen Qubes-OS, Ubuntu, Fedora, Pop-OS, Mint [Gnome, i3wm, KDE, Cinnamon). Pop-OS is my favorite on if I want a usable nvidia gpu with hybrid graphics. The only issues I had with most updates was a full boot partition because I skip cleanups.

I have a lot more issues with Windows moving stuff. Settings are a mess W7 -> W10 -> W11.

Qubes is still my go-to if I have to deal with malware infested things.

I'm full time (95%) on Fedora KDE (Desktop Ryzen 2000, RX500). I've had some quirks with Veracrypt and an external drive and crashes related to running out of memory (I'm sure DotA2 leaks memory since the performance gets worse over time)

I've checked my desktop for mouse scroll speed and actually don't have that option. I did change my scroll speed in one case which is Firefox (about:config => mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y = 85)

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by vbezhenar »

IshKebab wrote: post #65
mmphosis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I am using Linux on PC hardware and I miss Mac OS X. I have a lot tweaks and hacks that just don’t cut it. For example, the PC Home and End keys for text boxes are hard coded into X.

Funny you should mention that because I always have to fix Home and End on Mac with Karabiner-Elements so they don't go the beginning and end of the entire document which is totally useless. That said, I agree with you.

macOS is a mess. Some apps respect proper bindings home/end, some including native Apple ones are just crazy. Ctrl+A/Ctrl+E works as a super home/end for VSCode but as an ordinary home/end for Jetbrains. Mess, giant mess.

The only thing that macOS did good is a separation between ctrl+C and cmnd+C, so I can interrupt apps in console and copy text without issues.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by willnonya »

joe_the_user wrote: post #95
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. A. I'm looking at pointer speed section in Mouse Preference in Control Center. It's pretty simple. It give acceleration and sensitivy. B. Just about every GUI aims for decent defaults and doesn't allow endl…

I haven't needed a bash script to customize anything but I have had ti spend countless hours in the terminal making seemingly mundane software and hardware work.

Just because you've used Linux-training wheels edition and don't remember having problems isn't grounds to dismiss the large number of people who do have issues with Linux.

I also find Linux exhausting. I use it daily in servers and containers. It excels from an administrative perspective. I avoid using it as a client desktop pc at all cost because that is not where it excels.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by sekh60 »

JadeNB wrote: post #85
LarryMullins wrote: post #75

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There's no singular 'linux experience', all the problems you list are expected problems with some software on linux, but work just fine with other software systems on linux. Unfortunately many of the defaults chosen by Ubuntu are very poor and give bad first impressions. I think that recommending Ubuntu is an anachronism from the mid to late 00s. Experience makes it all much easier, simply because you learn which sof…

> I think that recommending Ubuntu is an anachronism from the mid to late 00s. What would you recommend as a modern-day user-friendly Linux experience? I've been looking for something not too demanding to put on an old X220.

Agreeing with others, Fedora, partifularly the KDE spin if you want somethings a little Windows GUI like.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by petra »

Certhas wrote: post #133
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #99

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Should have been clearer: mousewheel scroll speed, which there's no way to control from the GUI.

Is there such a setting in Windows/macOS? (genuine question, haven't used either much in years)

result #2 in google: https://www.thewindowsclub.com/change-mouse-scroll-speed-win...

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by LarryMullins »

uneekname wrote: post #111
JadeNB wrote: post #85

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> I think that recommending Ubuntu is an anachronism from the mid to late 00s. What would you recommend as a modern-day user-friendly Linux experience? I've been looking for something not too demanding to put on an old X220.

Not sure about performance on an X220, but I've loved Fedora workstation edition. The default Gnome setup is pretty user-friendly in my opinion, a there's a decent amount of support to be found online.

I'm not certain, but "needing a bash script to change the mouse scroll speed" sounds like the kind of inanity I've come to expect from Gnome. KDE is probably a better choice for somebody with this complaint.

It might also be a Wayland and/or libinput limitation.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by college_physics »

No it wasn't. Nor was it needed.

Linux is unstoppable. The monotonic accumulation of all that open source goodness is like a giant capacitor taking forever to charge. The result takes a while compared to a well funded commercial enterprise, but it slowly morphs into a super desktop that is basically impossible to compete against. Free, super capable, private by design. You cannot beat that with bells and whistles. The "average person" UX red lines will be met at some point.

Make no mistake. Life is not linear. Nothing much happens, it becomes a running joke and then, boom and its not a joke anymore, its the new reality.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by scrapcode »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #39

If I'm honest, Linux is...exhausting. I'm technically proficient, but even the "user-friendly" Ubuntu is a pain to work with. Something as simple as changing the mouse scroll speed requires creating a bash script. Software updates rarely work. There are random crashes that take hours to fix. I'm about to give in the towel and get a Mac. I can get it to work because the terminal doesn't scare me, but there's no way I…

I agree. When things are working - it's great. And having to dig in to get things working right is okay, too. However, when there are issues with hardware, it seems that the solutions that are in the ether are pretty hackish and you have to spend the afternoon trying multiple "fixes" to get things to work again.

I have to use Windows for work, and I ended up just throwing in the towel this year and switching back to the dark side for the time being because I have to get shit done.

Re: 2022 was the year of Linux on the Desktop?

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Post by mboto »

joe_the_user wrote: post #129
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should have been clearer: mousewheel scroll speed, which there's no way to control from the GUI.

Sure, but that is a fairly obscure setting that I don't think merits your earlier build-up "Something as simple as..." . On the one hand, I'd certainly admit Linux has "warts". It's GUI is perfectly usable and clear - it's more now what one is doing than the horror that is Windows 11 imo (and I'm working on that occasionally now). But the warts of Linux are accentuated by the OS attracting a certain kind of "OCD" use…

I agree with the parent comment. This isn't that niche a requirement and its just one of huge list.

Dismissing people's needs isnt the way to solve this.

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