Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

theguardian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 187 posts

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#141

Post by logicallee »

nradov wrote: post #62
logicallee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After reading your note "why it's not possible for the solar panels to be self cleaned" I clicked through and as I clicked I was thinking "okay so obviously it is possible for the solar panels to self-clean. prove me wrong." I mean how hard could it be? No way is that an "impossible" task. I went out of it thinking, "yep, look at these excuses we are making for the state of robotics." - the quote is: "A system like t…

ChatGPT isn't general AI, not even close.

[1] Although ChatGPT might not meet some special elevated standards for what is considered general AI, it is able to solve a wide variety of generalized requests, including writing this response on command. In this sense, it is similar to SpaceX being a "real" rocket company, even though it is a private company with less experience than NASA. SpaceX has disrupted the traditional aerospace industry and demonstrated that it is capable of designing and launching successful space probes, despite not being a traditional "establishment" player.

Another analogy might be to Uber, which has revolutionized the transportation industry by offering a new way of connecting riders with drivers through a smartphone app. Uber may not meet some traditional definitions of a "taxi company," but it has proven to be a successful and popular service for millions of people.

A third analogy might be to the smartphone itself, which has become an essential tool for many people despite not being a traditional computer. Smartphones have disrupted the personal computing industry and offer a wide range of capabilities, from making phone calls and sending texts to accessing the internet and running apps.

Similarly, ChatGPT is able to complete many general requests that meet the expectations of many users, even though it might not meet some definitions of general AI. It is able to do this because it is able to perform a wide range of tasks, including writing this comparison at your [my] request.

Of course, ChatGPT has its limitations and is not a substitute for human intelligence. However, it is able to complete many tasks that would be challenging or impossible for chatbots of decades ago, which demonstrates its usefulness and capabilities as a tool for assisting users with a wide range of tasks.

I hope this helps clarify my personal feelings about ChatGPT's intelligence and capabilities. It is important to recognize that different people have different standards and definitions for what constitutes general AI, and that is completely fine. What matters is whether a tool is able to meet the needs and expectations of its users, and ChatGPT has certainly been able to do that for me and many other users.

--

[1] I want to clarify that this response was written by ChatGPT, a large language model trained by OpenAI, at my request. For more context on my request and the interaction with ChatGPT, you can view the full exchange at https://hastebin.com/raw/wolovegiqa

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#142

Post by bogantech »

devsploit wrote: post #129

I suppose this is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know if the last message was ACTUALLY the STRING: “My power’s really low. Don’t worry about me though…”, or was it some binary/hex code to represent that, like, "503 ERROR", and the PR department just tweeted its interpretation as “My power’s really low. Don’t worry about me though…”? It raises more questions. Was this logging message decided by committee…

It would have been a data packet containing the battery gauge and some other metrics, it wouldn't make any sense for the lander itself to waste precious bandwidth by spitting out human readable ASCII strings like that.

It's just PR like the last one

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#143

Post by HWR_14 »

snvzz wrote: post #140
barbazoo wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike the Twitter UX so much, it's not clear to me if the "thread" only contains 2 tweets or if I'm too dumb to navigate this shitshow of a UI. Constantly being bombarded with popups doesn't help the UX either.

Nitter got you covered.

I thought Nitter stopped working sometime after Musk's takeover. Maybe just the specific mirror I used?

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#144

Post by Communitivity »

Mistletoe wrote: post #71
Communitivity wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am seeing a lot of comments along the lines of 'windshield wipers?' Cars were invented in 1886, the first windshield wipers became available for them in 1917, 31 years later. That is... - in an environment with plenty of water - not near waterless, - on glass windshields (much less fragile than solar panels), - where we can physically replace the wipers when needed, - where we can adjust if they get stuck, - and wh…

That’s the most bizarre math I’ve ever seen. Once you’ve designed something once it’s a lot faster to design over and over.

Each one of those bullets is a different engineering problem. The math is based on real government R&D I've seen.

"Once you’ve designed something once it’s a lot faster to design over and over".

You forgot the last part of that sentence: Once you’ve designed something once it’s a lot faster to design over and over, if you are in a similar environment with somewhat similar conditions.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#145

Post by ancientworldnow »

HWR_14 wrote: post #143
snvzz wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitter got you covered.

I thought Nitter stopped working sometime after Musk's takeover. Maybe just the specific mirror I used?

It still works fine, though it's largely dependent upon an api that may be retired.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#146

Post by SkyBelow »

bnralt wrote: post #103
SkyBelow wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a bit like asking how exactly does the XGB matrix build in stable diffusion create images. We know the end result that is produced, but we can't pick a single number and talk about what it contributes to the overall algorithm. I would even guess that you could replace any single number with another random value within the appropriate range and you wouldn't be able to tell which AI was before and after. The link…

Someone is making these value judgements. There's a reason why certain projects get funded while others don't. If someone has no idea what research will yield results, and has no preference for what research gets funded, that's fine. But if all research is the same to them, they should probably let those who view certain research as more important than others to make the decisions about what gets funded.

There are people who are choosing, and there are reasons behind which might end up being better than others, but those are often half science and half politics. Sometimes the end up being done for less than justifiable reasons. One factor is looking at scientists that seem to have 'scienced' well in the past and favoring them over new scientists. This is more conservative in that less money is sent to random ideas that won't go anywhere, but also means that funding is trapped in more classical theories lead to incorrect models and theories sticking around for longer than they should.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#147

Post by logicallee »

logicallee wrote: post #141
nradov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT isn't general AI, not even close.

[1] Although ChatGPT might not meet some special elevated standards for what is considered general AI, it is able to solve a wide variety of generalized requests, including writing this response on command. In this sense, it is similar to SpaceX being a "real" rocket company, even though it is a private company with less experience than NASA. SpaceX has disrupted the traditional aerospace industry and demonstrated th…

(writing this comment myself by hand)

In case you click through, what I want you to focus on in the transcript is that it came up with the two additional analogies at the end at my request, but I absolutely didn't suggest or introduce what they are specifically and I had no idea what it would come up with. You can't know this, but it's my experience.

Understanding and coming up with analogies is a gold standard of general intelligence, and it also understood my request, which was of a highly generic nature.

You might argue that it could have picked better analogies but I gave it pretty strict requirements to focus on technology companies. At this point we are arguing about whether airplanes really fly like birds, or whether submarines really swim. It's irrelevant. ChatGPT gets from point A to point B which is the point. It's some form of AGI. Just make it a generic request if you don't believe me, ask it to something generic that has never been done before and it'll do a great job at it. Go ahead and see for yourself.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#148

Post by nsriv »

barbazoo wrote: post #124
simonswords82 wrote: post #19

Interesting thread on why it's not possible for the solar panels to be self cleaned: https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1590736220199735296?c...

I dislike the Twitter UX so much, it's not clear to me if the "thread" only contains 2 tweets or if I'm too dumb to navigate this shitshow of a UI. Constantly being bombarded with popups doesn't help the UX either.

The line connecting the profile pictures on the left indicates the thread's continuation.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#149

Post by nradov »

logicallee wrote: post #147
logicallee wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[1] Although ChatGPT might not meet some special elevated standards for what is considered general AI, it is able to solve a wide variety of generalized requests, including writing this response on command. In this sense, it is similar to SpaceX being a "real" rocket company, even though it is a private company with less experience than NASA. SpaceX has disrupted the traditional aerospace industry and demonstrated th…

(writing this comment myself by hand) In case you click through, what I want you to focus on in the transcript is that it came up with the two additional analogies at the end at my request, but I absolutely didn't suggest or introduce what they are specifically and I had no idea what it would come up with. You can't know this, but it's my experience. Understanding and coming up with analogies is a gold standard of ge…

The analogies are garbage, not even remotely relevant to the issue. I have tried ChatGPT for myself. It's a great technical achievement, and has some practical value in writing rough drafts on certain limited topics. But you haven't provided any evidence that it is a form of AGI in any meaningful sense.

Re: ‘My power’s low’: NASA’s Insight Mars lander prepares to sign off

#150

Post by chasd00 »

devsploit wrote: post #129

I suppose this is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know if the last message was ACTUALLY the STRING: “My power’s really low. Don’t worry about me though…”, or was it some binary/hex code to represent that, like, "503 ERROR", and the PR department just tweeted its interpretation as “My power’s really low. Don’t worry about me though…”? It raises more questions. Was this logging message decided by committee…

heh it was probably a single byte with one bit signaling low battery and the other 7 signaling other things.
Post reply on HN