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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

tomxor wrote: post #96
fmajid wrote: post #85

The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…

> A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government. I tend to agree. Unfortunately even VPN doesn't entirely solve it though. On the one hand wiregaurd makes this feel far more transparent and comfortable technically compared to how it used to with old fashioned crappy TCP over TCP style VPN... instead we now get low overhead, low latency, native, simple configuration etc. The only problem is t…

>it's like wtf leave it alone guys, we are not in north Korea

we will eventually get everything they have in NK/China/Russia/Iran, under a thin veneer of being done for our own good and accompanied by a mass media campaign that will convince a sizeable population of useful idiots to accept it all. the venerable western democracies hate and fear dissent as much as those loathsome dictators do

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#142

Post by theodric »

wkat4242 wrote: post #44
theodric wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're on Tesco Mobile in Ireland, you're on Three! They're just an MVNO.

I know. They are now but at the time they were not. Tesco mobile was on O2 (also as MVNO). I think I heard Three and O2 have merged since then or something. Or was it Three and Meteor? I don't live in Ireland anymore so I don't really follow it. Tesco mobile didn't do any of three's skullduggery though. No filtering and their support was excellent. You could even write to them directly on boards.ie (which is itself a…

I have a place in Ireland where I spend a minority of my time at the moment. It's LTE-only (a farm in the mountains of North Cork) so I've tasted the rainbow of available options in my muddy corner of paradise in 2021-2022:

-Vodafone was great, and had (or enforced) no fair-use limit, but suddenly started to majorly suck (~25Mbps down to 500Kbps; 60ms latency up to to 2s). 1-2 bars of LTE Band 20; no Band 28. They share a mast location with Three in my area.

-Three has no fair-use limit, but struggles to give me over 5Mbps; normally more like 2Mb. Latency 100-300ms. 1-2 bars of LTE Band 20; no Band 28. Clear signs of oversaturation during peak hours.

-Eir used to perform like Three, but recently upgraded their kit in the area to 5G: 60Mbps down, 35mbps up. 5 bars of 5G, 5 bars of LTE Band 28 and 20. Their mast is on the same ridge, but in a different location. But! 120GB fair use with absolutely soul-crushing throttling once exceeded.

I looked into the MVNO gang, but their offers are no more enticing: Tesco Mobile starts charging exorbitant rates once you exceed your data allowance, Clear Mobile is on Vodafone and throttles to 5Mbps, GoMo passes on the same data caps as Eir, etc.

My solution is a Zyxel NR7101 5G CPE with an Eir SIM in it, and a Mikrotik CPE + roof antenna with a Three SIM in it. General use Internet access on Eir, big downloads on Three; turn down YouTube resolution; go outside more often. Each SIM costs €20/month, pay-as-you-go, so I can choose to have one or both on a whim. It's not great, but it'll do! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by kybernetyk »

fmajid wrote: post #85

The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…

>A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government. I run my own

Wouldn't be that illegal?

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by btdmaster »

tomxor wrote: post #96
fmajid wrote: post #85

The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…

> A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government. I tend to agree. Unfortunately even VPN doesn't entirely solve it though. On the one hand wiregaurd makes this feel far more transparent and comfortable technically compared to how it used to with old fashioned crappy TCP over TCP style VPN... instead we now get low overhead, low latency, native, simple configuration etc. The only problem is t…

For a good chunk of sites, rerouting Tor paths a few times will work. Maybe try Tor Browser?

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by kybernetyk »

>With its strict data protection laws and the GDPR, Germany has some of the best laws in the world to protect your secure emails.

That's a lie. German law enforcement can get access any time to the emails - the court orders are trivially to get. Which is a known problem in Germany as for a judge to sign off a search warrant all he needs to do is to sign the dotted line. If he wants to deny the search warrant he has to write up a justification for his denial. Judges being completely swamped in work tend to go the easy route here.

Also prosecutors not being independent but having to follow orders from the ministry of the inner (which is a reason why Germany isn't allowed to use the EU arrest warrant system btw) make political overreach very possible and plausible in such a case.

I wish this "Germany is a safe haven for data" meme would die.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by przemub »

kybernetyk wrote: post #143
fmajid wrote: post #85

The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…

>A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government. I run my own Wouldn't be that illegal?

Nah, it's not. The onus is on the ISPs, and it's just a shite DNS blocking of adult websites if you don't have them unlocked.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

callahad wrote: post #42

I can access Tutanota on Three UK, even with the filter enabled. When this blew up last Friday[0], Three's response was, paraphrased, "you contacted the wrong department, here's how to contact the correct department. Their turnaround time is three business days." Here we are three business days later, and it works for me. This seems a bit overwrought? (Content filters are an issue, but they're mandated by the UK gove…

Three business days seems way excessive to just flip a bit. Three minutes would be more appropriate.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by blitzar »

darrenf wrote: post #139
blitzar wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/01/three-custome... Eventually your time will come and they will remove it.

Ugh, I had no idea about that. Thanks for telling me - doesn't seem like I've received any such message from Three themselves. I'll find out for sure in a couple of days time since as luck would have it I went abroad at the start of this month for the first time since early 2020, and used data without worrying while I was there.

I havent recieved it yet (I am out of contract > 2 years now) - others who were out of contract got it a few months ago. It appears totally random.

EE have a roaming add-on that may for a cost reproduce the facility, but that was my limited research on the topic, usual disclaimer.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by Nextgrid »

roenxi wrote: post #134
lost_tourist wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but email is a service completely unrelated to porn.

How can an ISP be sure an end-to-end encrypted communication channel isn't being used for porn? It is encrypted. By design they have no idea what it is being used for. It would be very easy to set up a ring of pornography distributors using email (at least in the UK, in civilised countries they'd probably be put out of business by the open internet).

By this interpretation, any TLS channel, even to a supposedly "clean" domain, can be used for porn. Btw, nothing prevents you from emailing porn over Gmail or any of the other "allowed" email providers.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by tomxor »

Matsta wrote: post #126
tomxor wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, sometimes it really is just down to better coverage, but if it's a city, it's almost always covered well by all 3 providers. > I even asked a few strangers what network they use and how come they have reception However this is selection bias, you may actually have switched to a less popular network (which is better), or it could be coverage, it's hard to tell. The funny thing is that you can see how over time pe…

I agree it's good you can test. To add, if you want to try O2, there's GiffGaff/TescoMobile and if you want to try EE there's 1pm Mobile and EE offers PAYG sims as well. I have 5g internet at home, tested every network and EE was miles faster than anyone else even though I live close to all the towers. I did find that going on a contract was alot cheaper than PAYG, and it's the only way to get unlimited data on EE. S…

I think technically EE probably is the better network, it's just unfortunate that their customer service is hell on earth.

If you get a sim that actually works from the start, i guess you are lucky. Just pray you are not unfortunate enough to ever have to deal with their customer support for any real technical fuckup at their end... they burned so much of my time I can never go back.

I bought a 24 month unlimited contract (which I don't like doing but I know the network is technically better so bit the bullet). The sim didn't activate, 1 months of phone calls and endless promise after broken promise, they still couldn't activate the thing. Finally they sent me a new sim but on the wrong 1GB/month plan, which apparently they intended to switch once activated, which of course they never could manage to actually do. So after another month they agreed to end the contract since they couldn't seem to actually fulfil it.

Oh but there's more.... 6 months later I find out they are still charging me for this stupid 1gb contract for which no sim card even exists. I reluctantly call them again thinking at this point it might be faster to open a law suit, this is ridiculously complicated and takes much convincing since the contract is now supposed to be ended so all the account numbers etc are wrong. They agree to send me a refund me by cheque for £50 rather than set up another DD to avoid more fuck ups........

1 Month later: I receive a cheque for 50p - fucking joke.

They still owe me £50, but it's not worth the time it would cost me to attempt getting it back.

This is partly why I don't like contracts, you can't easily walk away from shit like this.

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