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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by namuol »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

Yeesh. This whole thing sounds like some gross commercialization of a problem blown out of proportion, that doesn’t really work, hurts honest customers, and only gets enforced due to some sunk cost fallacy going on in the minds of the venues/entertainers that were duped into using this “product” by the IP attorneys that are throwing bad ideas out there to justify the size of their salaries. I have no doubt the same sort of thing is going on with the linked article, only it’s a different branch of the legal team involved this time.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by crazygringo »

chroma wrote: post #114
monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

I guarantee that you clicked through some terms and conditions while buying that ticket, and it almost certainly said that phones weren't allowed. This is quite common at comedy shows because comedians develop their material over time. They don't want clips of jokes failing to land or being taken out of context, as that could hurt their career. Recording also emboldens hecklers, as one friend can record (or even live…

Back in 2017 it wasn't that common yet. I think Yondr is a great solution for comedians, but can also totally see that it wouldn't have made it into terms and conditions yet. I don't think you can guarantee anything in this case unless you have the actual T&C from that particular show.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by xeromal »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #131
xeromal wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty weird to require IDs for a simple ticket to a show.

We're talking about football games, not a show in this subthread.

They're all the same to me. Entertainment.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by monksy »

chroma wrote: post #114
monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

I guarantee that you clicked through some terms and conditions while buying that ticket, and it almost certainly said that phones weren't allowed. This is quite common at comedy shows because comedians develop their material over time. They don't want clips of jokes failing to land or being taken out of context, as that could hurt their career. Recording also emboldens hecklers, as one friend can record (or even live…

This has been a long time ago, it's possible, I know the show description at the time of purchase didn't mention it, the ticket didn't mention it and the venue policy didn't mention anything about this. Ticketmaster after the fact didn't state there were any additional T&Cs attached to the ticket.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by the__alchemist »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

Credit card chargeback.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by andsoitis »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

> ushers who can't get people to stop filming.

Not only is it a numbers game (too many people to police), it is also very annoying for other patrons when people are constantly told to stop.

So banning the phones is a great solution that solves a number of problems.

> Think they're going to know how to call the cops/handle an emergergcy? lol.

Of course they do.

I really don’t think you rationale for refusing to hand over your phone holds up.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by rootusrootus »

reaperducer wrote: post #100
vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my business. Actually, no. At least in New York State. While you can ban someone for the "violent" offense you picked, you cannot "deny entry to persons [you] dislike." The victim in this case, being a lawyer, is taking the clever and lawyerly route with this: Davis is now upping the l…

> being a lawyer

That's the thing that gets me. I get the desire to retaliate against people you feel have wronged you somehow, but as an actual strategy it seems like playing games like this with lawyers invites more trouble than it's worth. If they're trying to collect evidence, they will just send in an uninvolved third party to do it, not go themselves. But by attacking them personally, now they're going to use their legal skills to give you a headache.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by monksy »

rmorey wrote: post #130
monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

I’ve gone to several comedy shows (5 or so?) that use the Yondr bags, and honestly I think they’re a pretty good solution. I think it’s fair for artists and comedians to want to prevent filming, and the phone jail thing is quite clever, actually. The bags are not indestructible, it seems like a sharp pair of scissors or a knife would get you in. And I think the magnet lock is actually bypassable otherwise. It’s just…

I fully respect your preference there. I'm also glad we can have a civil agreement/disagreement about this.

> it seems like a sharp pair of scissors or a knife would get you in

You have neither of those during the time of an emergency. They've already taken those things away at the door with the metal detector.

They do "have an area where you can unlock it" however it's a restricted area.. and not much of a use during an emergency.

> It’s just inconvenient enough that everyone pretty much just complies

I feel like that's why it's gotten so far as it has.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by rootusrootus »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #86
cortesoft wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, at least, there are restrictions on 3. You can’t deny entry to black people, for example, just because you don’t like black people.

You can, however, deny employment to Dalits, and Oracle argues that it's Just Fine because there's no law.

How is that not an obvious protected class? It should easily fall under the national origin qualifications.
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