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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Bitcoin did "figure that out". You're referring I think to cashgrabs that slap the Blockchain term to try to milk some money. Bitcoin originates from a concrete customer experience issue: lack of digital money with some cash like properties (non reversible, pseudonymous, trustless, etc). [1] Something like that had been tried to create a few times before, but Blockchain was the first solution to that problem. In othe…

I was referring mostly to Ethereum and all of the smart contract chains and dapps that it spawned. I would agree what I said doesn't really apply to Bitcoin.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Everyone is cheering this on... But as far as I can tell Apple did not win the Document Editor and business computing war vs MS. Microsoft clearly won with the Microsoft Office Suite and Microsoft Word... I'm not sure about this specific tech or if OpenDoc would have made any difference... But is it an impossibility that open standards could have been a strong weapon against MS market dominance? Either way the man is…

> A serious problem with the OpenDoc project that Cyberdog depended on, was that it was part of a very acrimonious competition between OpenDoc consortium members and Microsoft. The members of the OpenDoc alliance were all trying to obtain traction in a market rapidly being dominated by Microsoft Office and Internet Explorer. At the same time, Microsoft used the synergy between the OS and applications divisions of the company to make it effectively mandatory that developers adopt the competing Microsoft Object Linking and Embedding (OLE) technology. OpenDoc was forced to create an interoperability layer in order to allow developers to use it, and this added a great technical burden to the project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyberdog

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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I haven’t seen Musk have a temper tantrum in public.

Calling someone a pedophile on Twitter withot evidence qualifies as a temper tantrum in my book.

Elon’s ego fluffers are clearly out tonight, but don’t be dissuaded. Your perception of reality is right.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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post #16

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> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

"Crypto" is not a single entity! What hasn't figured this out yet is crypto markets, collectively — which were rewarding projects based on hype, not value provided to users. But there are some cases where people are building with real users in mind. Arweave and Uniswap come to mind.

I didn't feel like writing a novel that accounted for every edge case and I knew if my comment got any traction, folks like you would show up passionately pointing out the details I omitted or glossed over. Here we are.

You are correct, there are exceptions. You are correct, crypto is not a single entity. defi in particular is an area where there are a lot of products catering to real user needs as they're marketing to people who already own crypto. And for them, whether they need a db or not is irrelevant. Those users demand decentralized products, so if they want to serve them, they really don't have a choice. Uniswap would be committing suicide by deciding to use a db at this point.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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That “poor soul” was a senior director of marketing, not some minimum wage assistant. And violence, a bit hyperbolic, it was an underhanded toss - no one calls that “chucking” where I’m from at least. Sure he had a temper but this is painting a misleading picture of that episode.

> no one calls that “chucking” where I’m from at least not disagreeing in substance, but a couple of quibbles: that absolutely does qualify as chucking--it's the way woodchucks chuck--but it does not qualify as chucking at someone; so as an underhand toss, it wasn't underhanded

This is the best kind of pedantry: agreeing in spirit with the intent but clarifying words used to express it.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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...if you think about it, it's the phrase "sell 8 billion dollars of product a year" that does the heavylifting, where he sets up the overall tone as "Me: Successful business tycoon. You: Angry nobody."

It would come across as less arrogant, if he had just resisted the temptation to say that at all. He probably realizes that himself as he speaks and then wraps it into a humblebrag when he says "And I've made this mistake probably more than anybody else in this room".

It's also a sentiment that one needs to be very careful with: Some people think they're right about everything because their success proves them right. It's this kind of hubris that, more often than not, will set you up for failure.

The substance of the argument: "Solution looking for a problem" vs "problem getting a solution" is a bit of a tired old cliche (although I don't know whether it already was, back then).

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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You should always pause when receiving criticism, it's a great psychological trick. Responding immediately and fiercely rewards the critic. By pausing, the critic becomes doubtful. Did I go too far? Is something really bad brewing?

Not everything has to be a manipulation tactic. I think he was just thinking about how he would respond.

I think the Japanese language has a pregnant pause that's part of the language. Or I think that's the intent (I barely understand Japanese). But in many a meeting someone will say a long "anooooo" which I always understood as a pregnant pause as the speaker was collecting their next words and thoughts.

Many times I wish I could pull off a long, awkward pause and gather my thoughts and response.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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staged, I assume

honestly, staging the question is something I can see Steve Jobs doing. Does anybody know who the guy that asked the question is?

He was part of the Silicon Valley Linux User Group in the late nineties.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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post #55

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You should always pause when receiving criticism, it's a great psychological trick. Responding immediately and fiercely rewards the critic. By pausing, the critic becomes doubtful. Did I go too far? Is something really bad brewing?

In this view, the pause was most hostile action taken by Jobs towards the person asking the question. For people who answer like this: what goes through your mind during the pause? Are you counting in your head? Are you planning out your answer? Are you playing the question in your head?

personally i try to appreciate the situation. rewind a bit and sense the context, what people said, what they might feel, what i might have miss or said wrong

basically slowing down before a tight curve

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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post #122

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Steve Jobs was a tyrant being closed doors and would often cry in meetings. This sounds very similar to Musk. Musk is undoubtably a genius, you can’t discount the success that Tesla and SpaceX have had. He’s just extremely heavy-handed and capricious. I heard from someone at Tesla that they loathe being in meetings with him because he will literally fire people on the spot. That type of arrogance did play during the…

I wouldn't stretch as far as calling Musk a genius - he's someone with a lot of business acumen, and understands how to use social media effectively to get what he wants (much like Trump), and has deep connections to make his ventures successful. SpaceX, Tesla etc would not be where they are now without all the funding Musk was able to secure and source from governments (grants, tax breaks, investments etc), and then…

If you haven't heard Musk talk IN DEPTH about rocketry, rocket engines, etc, then you should definitely watch the videos (linked below). For all his flaws (which are many), Musk does really understand his companies to a depth I've never before seen with a CEO. I've worked with many VPs and Executive team folk and I've never met someone that can have such low-level discussions about how their tech works, the product design, tactics and strategy etc. Also, when you see Elon talk about rockets you also get to see passion and happiness he gets from discussing these topics. I personally wish he had never used social media in the first place as it clearly triggers the worst parts inside him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw&ab_channel=Every...

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