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Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by msla »

wernercd wrote: post #137
msla wrote: post #130

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Why are you so absurdly adamant about people not being able to end suffering? You dig up some bizarre stories created by people with agendas, and refuse to acknowledge that the right to life includes the right to choose how life ends, and to deny that is to deny the basic rights of humanity. You absolutely refuse to see that the government has no place to mandate suffering. Why do you think the government should step…

The problem isn't people not being able to end suffering... the problem is people being ended before time and people being ended because they are poor and the government is simply cost cutting. "created by people with agendas" and "MAID" is defended by people with agendas. Everyone has an agenda - even people like you that presumably want to "end suffering". "why do you think the government should step in and demand…

You're so pro-big-government you don't want people to decide for themselves when to end their lives.

I can't hardly believe it.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by dilippkumar »

havnagiggle wrote: post #107
mumumu wrote: post #87

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From a quick search, it seems to be due the Radon gas. Exposure to Radon is the #1 cause of lung cancer on non-smoker. Canada ranks third on indoor radon concentration worldwide.

I only learned about this when buying a house and the inspector asking if I wanted to pay to have the test done. It came back positive and I disclosed the results to the seller, and in my state it requires them to mitigate before selling. My second house already had a system installed, but we also sleep on a second floor. I have always wondered how good the mitigation is; is Canada behind on public safety of this iss…

I can recommend Airthings Wave. It’s a useful product to have around.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by janef0421 »

htag wrote: post #135
janef0421 wrote: post #134

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It doesn't really matter what the intent of the government and medical establishment is; In fact, it may not even be coherent to attribute intent to such an entity. What matters is what the system does, and the evidence clearly indicates that the MAiD system is resulting in the deaths of the socially marginalised.

> the evidence clearly indicates that the MAiD system is resulting in the deaths of the socially marginalised The enter point of the MAiD system is to result in deaths. I think the intent matters a lot. I don't think it's a cause for alarm if we find some subpopulations that use a medical service more than others. I do think it's alarming if people are scheming to kill poor people.

What practical utility does that perspective have? The precise intention of the creators of a scheme does not have any distinct impact on anyone else, and is incredibly difficult to verify.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by emodendroket »

msla wrote: post #141
wernercd wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't people not being able to end suffering... the problem is people being ended before time and people being ended because they are poor and the government is simply cost cutting. "created by people with agendas" and "MAID" is defended by people with agendas. Everyone has an agenda - even people like you that presumably want to "end suffering". "why do you think the government should step in and demand…

You're so pro-big-government you don't want people to decide for themselves when to end their lives. I can't hardly believe it.

Not an especially convincing argument for those who do not see it as axiomatic that “big government” is in itself bad.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by htag »

janef0421 wrote: post #143
htag wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the evidence clearly indicates that the MAiD system is resulting in the deaths of the socially marginalised The enter point of the MAiD system is to result in deaths. I think the intent matters a lot. I don't think it's a cause for alarm if we find some subpopulations that use a medical service more than others. I do think it's alarming if people are scheming to kill poor people.

What practical utility does that perspective have? The precise intention of the creators of a scheme does not have any distinct impact on anyone else, and is incredibly difficult to verify.

The utility is to identify criminal activity

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by bluefirebrand »

x86x87 wrote: post #136
bluefirebrand wrote: post #133

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Pets are an amazing part of peoples lives and absolutely should not just be a privilege for those wealthy enough to pay for expensive medicine and frequent vet visits.

i mean... yes and no. should you ensure that you can take care of your pet before you get a pet? would you get a pet if you cannot afford to feed it?

This is kind of a pointless question imo. Animals are dirt cheap to feed, compared to the cost of adoptions and such. Yes you can get pets for free, if a stray walks up to you or something, but honestly the animal itself is the expensive part usually. If you truly cannot afford to feed a pet, you're probably so poor you'd be considering eating an animal instead of keeping it as a pet anyways.

The real question is what minimum standard of care is acceptable for humans to provide for their pets. Is it actually compassionate to take your animal to the vet, where they are scared? To have surgery done on the animal, even if it's lifesaving? The animal cannot consent so we are assuming that what we want is best. Same with end of life choices.

Edit: I was also thinking, consider the alternative for an animal at a shelter that no one is adopting. They either live in a kennel more or less at a no-kill shelter until they die, or they are put down. Compared to that, being adopted by a loving person and given a warm place to live, fed and sheltered, seems like a better life to me even if the animal eventually gets sick and put down instead of getting medical treatment.

The truth is that most pet animals don't really have any other place in modern society and given that context it seems like being a pet that gets just the basic comforts of life is always better than being a stray or shelter animal.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Post by wernercd »

msla wrote: post #141
wernercd wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't people not being able to end suffering... the problem is people being ended before time and people being ended because they are poor and the government is simply cost cutting. "created by people with agendas" and "MAID" is defended by people with agendas. Everyone has an agenda - even people like you that presumably want to "end suffering". "why do you think the government should step in and demand…

You're so pro-big-government you don't want people to decide for themselves when to end their lives. I can't hardly believe it.

"I can't hardly believe it."

That's because you're not talking about anything I believe in. You believe in a fairy tale. Something that doesn't exist.

Nothing about my stance is "pro-big-government"... my stance is actually pro-limited government.

Again: If you trust the government to decide when people die? You're not that smart.

Then again... you think I'm pro-big-government so... not that smart.

Canada has government run healthcare and that government run healthcare is pushing people to kill themselves to save money.

That's not you deciding to die. That's you getting pushed to die to save bean counters in the government money.

YOU are so pro-big-government that you want to give government run healthcare the right to kill you because it's better for tax payers.

See how that works? I can make non-sense statements too.

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