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Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by Drakim »

Panini_Jones wrote: post #123
mpweiher wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a "loophole", that's called living in a country of laws with due process.

> that's called living in a country of laws with due process. The loophole is that the company is allowed to continue breaking the law while the appeal is in progress.

Imagine I sued you on the basis that the house you are living in is stolen and isn't yours to inhabit. Would it be fair that you can't live there while a lengthy court process figures out the truth?

In special cases, the judge can issue an preliminary injunction where a party is compelled to do something (or not do something) while the court case is ongoing, but the bar for that is pretty high.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

cronix wrote: post #138
Panini_Jones wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's called living in a country of laws with due process. The loophole is that the company is allowed to continue breaking the law while the appeal is in progress.

Not doing so would allow mere allegations to put your business on hold until the entire court process, all the way to the highest court, if applicable, is complete. It's not a loophole. It's a fundamental tenant of innocent until proven guilty.

This is civil law, not criminal. Presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by BlueTemplar »

ethbr0 wrote: post #68
RajT88 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook will still be around in 5 years. The question is whether it will be relevant. People make the comparison to MySpace, because it's the most comparable service - Facebook de-throned it as the king of social media. And incidentally, MySpace is still around. They survived the de-throning by pivoting, which is inevitably what Facebook will do. I think we've seen the groundwork for it already.

Facebook's survival (and MySpace's before them) is predicated on continued advertising revenue. Continued advertising revenue is predicated on user count and eyeball time. Consequently, the only thing that really kills Facebook is if users abandon the platform. And there isn't really a Mastodon-equivalent alternative for FB's feature set. Or even assurance that there could be (i.e. features that require centralizatio…

What's wrong with Diaspora ? (As someone that never used it.) (P.S.: I haven't used Facebook in like half a decade either.)

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by codedokode »

GDPR applies not only to websites, but to software, am I correct? Does it mean that Android/Windows/MacOS and mobile apps should get user's permission for telemetry/analytics and allow to opt out from it? And Microsoft should allow using their software without requiring an online account?

It would be wonderful.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #125
hedora wrote: post #59

Cool. So, how does this impact consumers that never used Facebook, but that have shadow profiles for social network inference and ad tracking? Presumably, since Facebook has no way to contact those people, they will just shut down the no-logged-in-but-tracked half of their business in Europe? (If you don't know what I mean by shadow profile: When you first create a Facebook account, it helpfully produces a prepopulat…

As a reminder, this is just the tip of the iceberg : The US has since 2001 built a techno-legal spying system that the Stasi would have been proud of (relying a lot on US companies, especially the GAFAMs), and worse, (ab)used it on non-US people, specifically people located in EUrope (especially as revealed by the Snowden scandal in 2013). Since this violates the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, in 2015 the Court of…

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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by acd »

These ad business puts pixel canavas trackers on your browsers. Got my neigbours language course advertisements through my private VPN connection in private browser mode. God luck in preventing it you cannot stop tracking unless you block javascript.

You will get private canavas trackers. All your private data will be sold for advertisement.

To test try amiunique.org on a PC. Hint: You are not unique you are tracked.

This teacking is probably not legal according to GDPR.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by johndhi »

codedokode wrote: post #144

GDPR applies not only to websites, but to software, am I correct? Does it mean that Android/Windows/MacOS and mobile apps should get user's permission for telemetry/analytics and allow to opt out from it? And Microsoft should allow using their software without requiring an online account? It would be wonderful.

Yes, that is the law already actually, though no one complies.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

wackget wrote: post #84

> The EU decision will not have direct consequences for users, unfortunately, as it can be appealed to. Such an appeal would lead to a lengthy judicial process. So companies can flout the law for years, making massive profits, and continue to do so for as long as they can string along an appeal process? Seems like a pretty nice loophole.

They do risk mounting fines by continuing the practice.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by izacus »

I seriously hate how misleading the titles of this report are (NOYB did the same crock and buried the lede 7 paragraphs into their report): Facebook tracking is illegal ONLY if Facebook hasn't asked for tracking consent.

If they did, they can track to their hearts' content - and it's horribly misleading that the news and news titles don't make this obvious. It'll put people into false sense of security.

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