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Post by skydhash »

sheepybloke wrote: post #111
pcthrowaway wrote: post #96

I'm astounded that this article doesn't mention what to me seems like a no-brainer: We're in the golden age of television. People don't want to watch 10, unconnected movies now. They want 10-20 hours of a continuous story. Netflix, Apple TV, Prime, and other streaming platforms have been delivering a quality experience that immerses the viewer in an engagement that film can't compete with on depth, world-building, et…

100% agree with this. TV has allowed writers to take more time with their characters, develop them more, give more time to other storylines and plots, and write more complex and interesting tales. People are also starting to expect more story and plotlines in their content, which I think is another reason movies are getting so much longer, since more time is needed to meet those expectations(see The Irishman). In the…

I watched “1899” last week and it was excellent. The characters seems real despite the very slow revealing of their backstories. I can’t stand most blockbuster movies. There’s always so much action going on that characters and plot suffer. No real dialogue between people. Just exposition and one-liners. And everything seems to be rushing. Compare Black Addams to Dune. Mad Max was also fast-paced, but the director knows that and focuses on the action to describe the characters instead of adding useless one-liners and forced jokes.

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Post by bmitc »

stevage wrote: post #129
bmitc wrote: post #108

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Almost all modern TV series are just a movie spread out over entire TV seasons. They are filled with nothing but teasers and cliff hangers in order to artificially stimulate intrigue and extend the relatively thin plots. I can barely imagine something more boring than modern streaming TV series. They also tend to devolve into characters forming romantic relationships with each other, because there's usually nothing e…

It honestly doesn't sound like you have watched many modern series at all.

What's a good one that you think I might have missed?

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Post by jedberg »

dimator wrote: post #139
marcus_holmes wrote: post #128

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Hell is other people. Last time I went to the cinema there was an annoying gang of teenagers having fun in the row two ahead of me. I'm not angry at them; we were all teenagers once. But they were annoying. And the guy to my right thought so too, and let them know. The "movie-going experience" was the drama that this confrontation generated. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll watch it on my inferior screen, with my inferior…

you're not alone. i think the pandemic has made people more solitary, to the point of being anxious and/or annoyed around other humans. a noisy theater was just something that happened in normal life before, it happened, and then we had a little story to gripe to our friends about. but now it seems an intolerable ordeal. the same goes for restaurants vs. take out, visiting friend's/family's house vs. just staying hom…

To an extent, but it may be a bubble thing. I was just in Vegas for a conference and it was as busy as ever. I attended a music festival with 20,000 people while I was there. I was annoyed, especially at the lack of masks (I was one of the few), but I still enjoyed it.

And frankly it was good to be back at an in person work conference. It was so much better than the virtual crap we've had the last few years.

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Post by 62951413 »

quickthrowman wrote: post #136
pcthrowaway wrote: post #96

I'm astounded that this article doesn't mention what to me seems like a no-brainer: We're in the golden age of television. People don't want to watch 10, unconnected movies now. They want 10-20 hours of a continuous story. Netflix, Apple TV, Prime, and other streaming platforms have been delivering a quality experience that immerses the viewer in an engagement that film can't compete with on depth, world-building, et…

> I'm astounded that this article doesn't mention what to me seems like a no-brainer: We're in the golden age of television. I disagree, the golden age of television was the late 90s to early 2010s, from the start of the Sopranos, to the last episode of Breaking Bad. I can’t name a series in the last 10 years that is on par with Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Deadwood, or The Wire. Streaming service…

If not for Taylor Sheridan I'd agree with you.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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Post by pcthrowaway »

bmitc wrote: post #142
stevage wrote: post #129

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It honestly doesn't sound like you have watched many modern series at all.

What's a good one that you think I might have missed?

My picks for "best TV of the last decade": Better Call Saul, Atlanta, High Maintenance, Maniac, Severance, Game of Thrones (S1-5 only), Undone, and The Expanse. Maybe an honourable mention to Black Mirror, Bojack Horseman, and Silicon Valley.

I have some others I'd personally rate up there, but which are probably more niche (not as widely appealing).

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Post by DeetrixDotter »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #123
DeetrixDotter wrote: post #40

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Nothing quite breaks the immersion for me like having so many gay and interracial couples crammed into the cast that I end up sitting there wondering if there is any place on Earth that's anything like the "normal" town Hollywood is presenting to me.

"interracial couples" wow.. Perhaps this really speaks to our difference in perspectives based on where we live. I live in Vancouver, and find the increased representation of gay, queer, nonbinary, interracial people very true to my lived experience. Of course, lots of film and television is filmed here so maybe it's not that surprising.

I live in (a nice area of) Australia and it's rare enough here that you would definitely catch some glares and giggles if you were out in public. So yes, perspective matters.

I don't mind so much when the scene is set in a city like Vancouver. But when the show is set in a remote European village or outback Aussie town, yet they still force the usual Hollywood levels of diversity, it becomes an absurd juxtaposition that is impossible to look past.

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Post by jrm4 »

jfengel wrote: post #125
jrm4 wrote: post #107

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This reminds me of Eddie Murphy's reaction to some "dramatic moment with a look he gave" in Showgirls that everyone reacted to as great acting, and he was like -- "Did you not see me in the Nutty Professor where I was FIVE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME? That was harder."

It's such an odd comment. Doing that is a great stunt... but it's a stunt. None of those characters were really all that well developed. The makeup team did amazing work, and it was an extraordinary technical feat (especially at the time), but Murphy's biggest contribution was some caricature voice work. It must have been exhausting for him as an actor, and worth a ton of respect. But it's no surprise to me that othe…

I absolutely fail to see the difference.

If anything, it's MUCH harder to be funny than to be dramatic.

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Post by ciupicri »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #145
bmitc wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a good one that you think I might have missed?

My picks for "best TV of the last decade": Better Call Saul, Atlanta, High Maintenance, Maniac, Severance, Game of Thrones (S1-5 only), Undone, and The Expanse. Maybe an honourable mention to Black Mirror, Bojack Horseman, and Silicon Valley. I have some others I'd personally rate up there, but which are probably more niche (not as widely appealing).

Black Mirrors is just a bunch of unrelated short stories which aren't that great compared to a movie.

Bojack Horseman is pretty good indeed, but mostly because it's a comedy. The drama isn't very interesting.

I've heard that a character dies in every Game of Thrones episode, which means some characters will lack depth since they won't have the time required to develop it.

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Post by mecha_ghidorah »

quickthrowman wrote: post #136
pcthrowaway wrote: post #96

I'm astounded that this article doesn't mention what to me seems like a no-brainer: We're in the golden age of television. People don't want to watch 10, unconnected movies now. They want 10-20 hours of a continuous story. Netflix, Apple TV, Prime, and other streaming platforms have been delivering a quality experience that immerses the viewer in an engagement that film can't compete with on depth, world-building, et…

> I'm astounded that this article doesn't mention what to me seems like a no-brainer: We're in the golden age of television. I disagree, the golden age of television was the late 90s to early 2010s, from the start of the Sopranos, to the last episode of Breaking Bad. I can’t name a series in the last 10 years that is on par with Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Deadwood, or The Wire. Streaming service…

The first season of True Detective was in my opinion the greatest single season of tv I've ever seen

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Post by jdkee »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #145
bmitc wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a good one that you think I might have missed?

My picks for "best TV of the last decade": Better Call Saul, Atlanta, High Maintenance, Maniac, Severance, Game of Thrones (S1-5 only), Undone, and The Expanse. Maybe an honourable mention to Black Mirror, Bojack Horseman, and Silicon Valley. I have some others I'd personally rate up there, but which are probably more niche (not as widely appealing).

Best series of the past 20 years is likely Boardwalk Empire.
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