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Post by rippercushions »

fijiaarone wrote: post #106
rippercushions wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it really isn't, and it's mildly obnoxious to people living in the southern hemisphere (or the tropics, for that matter) when people assume spring = Q2. Mildly because we're used to it, but it's not hard to avoid. And for better or worse, the Gregorian calendar is the universal civil system now, even in the countries like Saudi Arabia that notionally use other calendars. Even Korean Juche years, Japanese imperial…

All the people who live in the southern hemisphere live in the tropics or subtropics. Spring has no more meaning in Melbourne than it does in Mexico City.

Having lived in Melbourne, those are both pretty bizarre assertions, although it's a running gag for Melbourne that you can easily experience all four seasons in a day. In Australia, only coastal NT/FNQ qualify as tropical, with a subtropical slice from Brisbane down to Sydney:

https://plantmaps.com/koppen-climate-classification-map-aust...

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by masklinn »

consp wrote: post #138
coder543 wrote: post #120

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"mAh" is a useless measurement that should be banned from marketing to the public, period. It does not actually represent the energy stored in the batteries, and it can easily mislead people. I also get annoyed that no one uses Ah, when "thousands of thousandths" is a really annoying way to communicate. 3200mAh -> 3.2Ah. Why do no manufacturers understand this? And why don't manufacturers just use a proper unit that…

The load characteristics also matter. Under certain load profiles those AAAs won't come even close to their rated capacity (no matter what misleading unit used). I also find the 1.9wh very optimistic, I guess you took the average AA capacity, in which case the battery would almost become bigger than the phone.

1.9 seems like a typo as 12/1.9 is 6.3, nowhere near 10. 800mAh seems to be a pretty available capacity and yields 1200mWh which tracks with the factor.

Though I think I’ve seen up to 1200.

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Post by jstrong »

hnbad wrote: post #139
jstrong wrote: post #129

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I love stories about smiting wasps

Fun fact: in most of Germany this would have been a crime with a penalty of up to tens of thousands in EUR depending on the exact species.

sounds more like a repugnant fact to me

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by petre »

hnbad wrote: post #139
jstrong wrote: post #129

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I love stories about smiting wasps

Fun fact: in most of Germany this would have been a crime with a penalty of up to tens of thousands in EUR depending on the exact species.

I suppose it's legal to pack it and ship it to the Bundestag or whichever authority came up with that law then.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by romanovcode »

hnbad wrote: post #139
jstrong wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love stories about smiting wasps

Fun fact: in most of Germany this would have been a crime with a penalty of up to tens of thousands in EUR depending on the exact species.

Why are wasps protected in Germany? I understand bees, but what good are wasps for?

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by coder543 »

masklinn wrote: post #142
consp wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The load characteristics also matter. Under certain load profiles those AAAs won't come even close to their rated capacity (no matter what misleading unit used). I also find the 1.9wh very optimistic, I guess you took the average AA capacity, in which case the battery would almost become bigger than the phone.

1.9 seems like a typo as 12/1.9 is 6.3, nowhere near 10. 800mAh seems to be a pretty available capacity and yields 1200mWh which tracks with the factor. Though I think I’ve seen up to 1200.

1.9Wh was the number I saw on Google. 10 was just me not thinking clearly late at night. I updated my comment.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by CamperBob2 »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #117
CamperBob2 wrote: post #87

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Note that that's not a Raman spectrometer, just a conventional grating or prism-based instrument. 3 nm resolution isn't too bad, though. Could be good for evaluating aquarium/houseplant lighting and things like that. A Raman spectrometer is still a fairly exotic piece of hardware, requiring a laser, a notch filter for the laser's wavelength, and a very good conventional spectrophotometer to look for low-level sideban…

Is there any way you could picture it fitting on the back of a smartphone? Because some people definitely have [1] [1] https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/ay/d1ay0...

Very cool, sign me up for one of those when they hit Kickstarter! It's pretty big and clunky, but still the smallest one I've seen.

Edit: already on sale at https://www.amazon.com/CloudMinds-Raman-Spectrometer/dp/B081... . $24,980.00. Maybe I'll hold back a bit on this one...

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by coder543 »

consp wrote: post #138
coder543 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"mAh" is a useless measurement that should be banned from marketing to the public, period. It does not actually represent the energy stored in the batteries, and it can easily mislead people. I also get annoyed that no one uses Ah, when "thousands of thousandths" is a really annoying way to communicate. 3200mAh -> 3.2Ah. Why do no manufacturers understand this? And why don't manufacturers just use a proper unit that…

The load characteristics also matter. Under certain load profiles those AAAs won't come even close to their rated capacity (no matter what misleading unit used). I also find the 1.9wh very optimistic, I guess you took the average AA capacity, in which case the battery would almost become bigger than the phone.

Load characteristics do complicate things as well, but I figured even the optimistic case involved enough batteries to dissuade anyone from this idea.

There are other non-rechargeable chemistries that are far more energy dense than AAA batteries, and those might be interesting to discuss.

Re: Caterpillar offers phone with built-in FLIR camera

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Post by sllabres »

graderjs wrote: post #99
motohagiography wrote: post #64

The lack of a replacable battery is infuriating because it's planned obselescence of a FLIR device. I got one of the first CAT s60 phones when they came out and tolerated all the android spyware on it because I really liked having a properly ruggedized phone. Got about 4 years out of it. The flir camera I would say I used most often at night for finding my dogs poop to pick up on neighbours lawns in the dark, but I u…

FLIR camera should also be able to pick up some UFO/UAP in the skies as well. Yay! Now nearly everyone can see some.

Nice idea, but I think for THIS application the FOV is to large and the resolution (160*120?) is to low. Of course the extraterrestrial knew that and therefore allowed the integration of the lapton chip into the phone I use a dedicated thermal camera with bit higher resolution but higher FPS. As others have written they are quite useful as you see thing (even not ET) you could have measured with an IR thermometer if you knew they were there.

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Post by minhazm »

sllabres wrote: post #134
kvakvs wrote: post #110

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The statement about battery not being replaceable is false. They are replaceable. But the phone body is sealed to deliver the water and dust resistance rating from its technical specs, so opening it is an entire new adventure in itself.

Water resistant (e.g. 30 min / 1 m) mobile phones with exchangeable batteries were quite common. They had easy to procure LiIon batteries which could replaced even by a clumsy person in minutes. Would prefer that to a watertight phone with non replaceable batteries as aging or dying batteries are more common in my experience than my desire to go on a dive with my phone.

> Water resistant (e.g. 30 min / 1 m) mobile phones with exchangeable batteries were quite common

I wouldn't say they were common, at least not for android smartphones. The first water resistant android phone was the Motorola Defy[1] in 2010. For Samsung they had the S4 Active and then the S5 had some water resistance. But then the S6 removed support for replaceable batteries. So the only Samsung phones with easily replaceable batteries and any water resistance were the S4 Active, S5 Active and the S5.

I think you're right that IP67 (30min / 1 meter) is probably achievable but I think most people prefer the better water resistance and by the time their phone battery degrades sufficiently they usually want a new phone. Additionally it's already possible to get your battery replaced. At least Apple will replace your phone battery going back to the 5S for $49 up to $99 for current models. I prefer this model where I have a trustworthy place to get the battery serviced that will preserve the water resistance for a somewhat reasonable price. I tried to look at the battery replacement cost for Samsung phones but couldn't find it, so maybe that's not a service they offer directly or it's just difficult to find.

[1] https://www.androidauthority.com/first-water-resistant-andro...

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