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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by js2 »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

> any old iPhone is

The note at the bottom reads: "Apple Music Sing will be available on all compatible iPhone and iPad models as well as the new Apple TV 4K".

Maybe it requires the Neural Engine that was added with the A11 and opened to third-party apps with the A12. (Sep 2018).

But that should still allow the Apple TV 4K (second generation) which uses the A12.

iPhones/iPads with the A12 or newer are the iPhone XS/XR, iPad Mini (5th generation), iPad Air (3rd generation), and iPad (8th generation). The iPhone SE (2nd generation) uses the A13 so that should be compatible too.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by notpushkin »

boredemployee wrote: post #119
notpushkin wrote: post #75

People will definitely rip no-vocal versions out of there (if they are good quality, that is). I see some pretty neat implications: - Young artists can (illegally) use beats by popular producers. Young producers can listen to various tracks and better understand some techniques that were shadowed by vocals before. - More bootleg remixes of popular tracks. Things that weren't possible by just slicing and sampling the…

i tried spleeter already and while it works "ok" in the best case, this sounds like a game changer if true: https://youtu.be/e_SW1AeCQNU

Sounds impressive! Would be nice to compare it with what Spleeter does.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by yunwal »

hamburglar wrote: post #76
rhplus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a guess: 1) Perhaps they don’t want to trigger a different licensing model (on either the music or the lyrics) that applies specifically to karaoke devices and venues. Just a guess, not a music lawyer, but all sorts of unexpected terms apply to music licensing (such as streaming TV services not being able to use music from the original TV broadcast) 2) Perhaps they don’t want to associate with the karaoke “brand”…

I suspect the second is exactly right. Apple is extremely careful about how their products are perceived as elite and cool and it’s easy to imagine their marketing department thinking the word “karaoke” just evokes an uncool or unsophisticated vibe.

You might be right, but I gotta say that deliberately avoiding the word karaoke feels incredibly insecure and uncool to me if that is the reason.

Re: Apple Music Sing

#145

Post by Closi »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #131
whiddershins wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say it supports millions of songs so I doubt that’s how they are doing this. They are likely using a sophisticated ML version of what old karaoke machines did, and removing the vocals in real-time.

Even if they're using ML, I don't imagine they'd do it on-device. They don't even do voice recognition on-device by default.

> [Apple says it is] relying on an on-device machine learning algorithm that processes the music in real-time. The tech builds on Apple’s noise-cancellation expertise and other developments it’s made for FaceTime, the company said.

Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-n...

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by hoherd »

notpushkin wrote: post #75

People will definitely rip no-vocal versions out of there (if they are good quality, that is). I see some pretty neat implications: - Young artists can (illegally) use beats by popular producers. Young producers can listen to various tracks and better understand some techniques that were shadowed by vocals before. - More bootleg remixes of popular tracks. Things that weren't possible by just slicing and sampling the…

Stemroller[1] is another audio track separator, based on demucs[2]. The demucs GH page has an accuracy comparison table with spleeter, demucs and others.

[1]: https://github.com/stemrollerapp/stemroller

[2]: https://github.com/facebookresearch/demucs

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by yunwal »

JohnBooty wrote: post #59
paxys wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extracting vocal tracks from songs is something that is done trivially in all audio mixing software out there. This is hardly a "revolution", especially considering Apple isn't even going to let you export the results digitally.

It's been a while since I played around with that, but I remember the results not being super clean. Is that still the case? I am assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that Apple has access to multitrack versions of some songs and that for these tracks it will be able to remove the vocals in a pristine way.

Sounds like they're doing it with ML just like everyone else (hence not supporting devices with old chips).

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by hbn »

Not15CharsLong wrote: post #79

Interesting yet very anti-competitive move by Apple. There are lots and lots of existing providers of karaoke tracks: these invest (depending on quality) between several dollars and several hundreds of dollars to record "soundalike" tracks Sales of such tracks do not generate royalties for the original performer, but do pay out to the composer (per track sale and for things like public performance). Apple is now garr…

How is that anti-competitive?

In what cases to we continue to use a slow, antiquated process to do a task when an automated technology comes out that can do it faster and/or better?

Sure, I could pay a contractor to go through my files to find and replace every instance of a text string with another text string. Or I could use sed. It's not anti-competitive for sed to exist.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by js2 »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #134
pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

> But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? Honestly, it might not be. My Apple TV 4k seems slow as molasses with performance more like an AMLogic 905. Not sure if it’s because it doesn’t have enough RAM, the flash is slow or the CPU is just way under powered. Yes, they advertise it as an A12Z or whatever, but it’s a binned part that wasn’t acceptable f…

I have owned nearly every generation of Apple TV. Other than the original model, I wouldn't describe any of them as slow as molasses. On the contrary, they are consistently the fastest streaming devices I've owned, and I'm comparing to things like Roku (built-in to a TCL), FireTV, and Android TV across a number of devices (Shield Pro, Hisense U6G, Zidoo Z9X). (Technically the Zidoo uses Android, not Android TV.)

I currently own all three generations of the Apple TV 4K. All of them are snappy devices.

Now that said, I use them for streaming video only, both a variety of services as well as use Infuse for streaming from my NAS.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by Closi »

colmmacc wrote: post #11

This looks really cool, and it'll be interesting to see how artists and producers react. Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Although it's possible to isolate vocals some of the time from mixes, using stereo separation (the vocals are often the only component that is 100% center mixed), filtering, and even AI techniques ... none are perfect. I wonder if this will have the…

> Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track.

Nope - it's using ML.

Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-n...

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