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Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by docandrew »

pjc50 wrote: post #17
hammock wrote: post #5

The bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...

The US doesn't reward factual programming, that's why the History Channel turned into the Ancient Aliens Channel.

Kind of like MTV’s evolution away from music-themed programming. Maybe History Channel can follow their lead with “H2” where they still play history videos.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by Gatsky »

Kreutzer wrote: post #37
andrewstuart wrote: post #13

It matters which country controls the platform. The recent protests in China have been suppressed by the CCP. No doubt there are close to zero protest videos on TikTok. There are protest videos on YouTube - though anecdotally YouTube management is attempting to suppress them because Google is tightly bound to China. The question is, does it matter if protest videos are shown or hidden on social media? Can the videos…

The actual amount of protests in China were laughably small in comparison to how the state depart... I mean 'free press' in the US portrayed it. Yes, there were reasonable protests against zero-Covid measures, no there was no revolution in progress.

It is hard to know really. Nobody is incentivised to report the true scale of the protests.

If the scale of the protests were laughably small and of no concern to the CCP, it could just be a coincidence that China announced their scientists have determined Omicron has ‘reduced pathogenicity’ [1], as a pretext to relaxing restrictions.

[1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202212/1280880.shtml

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Karunamon wrote: post #137
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the CCP doesn't have ties or influence with them...

Not to the degree that TikTok does. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.

Nothing for certain.

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senator-hawley-demands-google-...

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by Karunamon »

purpleblue wrote: post #65

I have a fairly large position in Meta because I'm sure that the US government is going to ban TikTok. I think once it spikes from that announcement, it will at least make it back up to over $200, for the time being.

I'm curious, why Meta? As far as I can tell all of their properties are in decline and don't have much cachet among younger users.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by hammock »

ebzlo wrote: post #112
hammock wrote: post #5

The bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...

This makes absolutely no sense to me and even as an American, often times reads like anti-China propaganda. If the algorithms are showing STEM content on the Chinese version of TikTok, it's likely the result of two reasons: 1. Chinese children prefer STEM content and the algorithm is providing that to them. 2. It's enforced by the Chinese government or someone who believes this kind of content will benefit the Chines…

Chinese children don’t use TikTok “for hours a day.” Another key difference between their app and ours. They are limited to 40 minutes a day and cannot use it at all between 10pm and 6am.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/tiktoks-china-equivalent-limits...

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by nemothekid »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #134
nemothekid wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are concerned about the content that American's consume, there is no reason to single out TikTok. Instagram has been shoving the same garbage into the feeds of teenagers for nearly a decade and Reels is nearly exact clone of TikTok. There is little "educational" content on Instagram Reels. The solution would be regulate all the social media companies, like how China does. If the problem is solely TikTok, then…

It's not that it's owned by Chinese, it's that it is based in China with demonstrated links to the Chinese communist government. It's not sinophobic to distrust the Chinese government. Are the Chinese protestors sinophobes?

If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair.

If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese. It doesn't make sense to distrust the Chinese when they are doing the same thing as Americans (unless you don't like them just because they are Chinese).

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by Karunamon »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #143
Karunamon wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to the degree that TikTok does. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.

Nothing for certain. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senator-hawley-demands-google-...

I'm sorry but I cannot take this politician seriously. Hawley has a storied history of talking mad smack and writing bombastic, strongly worded letters at California tech companies which never really go anywhere.

To me at least, it comes off as red meat for the base.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by musk_micropenis »

nemothekid wrote: post #103
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he made it up thinking it was fake - but now it has been independently shown to be likely true. In which case he made up a conspiracy theory then demonstrated to be accurate when he thought it was a joke. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-passes-sweeping-re... https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... CBS 60 Minutes Interview with an IT expert just 3 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com…

The claim isn't fake. But the idea that this is some TikTok plot to poison America is ridiculous and sinophobic. Douyin is happy show low brow garbage to Chinese netizens, just like chinese gaming companies were happy to let teens play video games 24/7. The difference is the Chinese government won't let them. America could easily do what China did here: enforce regulations on what kind of content social media compani…

Please don't resort to conflating criticism of China (however speculative) with Sinophobia. It lowers the tone of the discussion and imputes a motive onto your peers which isn't warranted. If you have a problem with the facts of the discussion then address them directly.

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Post by freedomben »

themodelplumber wrote: post #136
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he made it up thinking it was fake - but now it has been independently shown to be likely true. In which case he made up a conspiracy theory then demonstrated to be accurate when he thought it was a joke. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-passes-sweeping-re... https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... CBS 60 Minutes Interview with an IT expert just 3 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com…

One note on that sourcing: I would not generally find Deseret News (i.e. Mormon cultural-industrial-habits-porn outlet) a credible source in this context. I also design productivity systems as part of my job, and found that watching TikTok in the laziest way possible can be an outstanding part of such a system. We are long past the Horatio Alger bootstrapping days where we condemn procrastination and laziness out of…

Why wouldn't Deseret News be credible in this context?

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by sofixa »

kelnos wrote: post #91
Miner49er wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a choice being made by TikTok, this is due to regulations/laws in China. If the US passed laws requiring TikTok to do the same in the US, they would obviously comply.

> If the US passed laws requiring TikTok to do the same in the US, they would obviously comply. Except for the part where that law would end up being declared unconstitutional, and rightly so. Then again, if TikTok has no US ownership, perhaps it would pass constitutional muster. 1A doesn't specifically mention US citizens or US-owned corporations, though, just that that government shall pass no laws abridging the fr…

Is a recommendation algorithm "speech"? Applying vague 18th century wording and logic to something it's writers couldn't even dream of is so weird.
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