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Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by astrodust »

revscat wrote: post #36
maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

How do you define that term?

I don't want to see any more young teenagers branded as sex offenders, a label they'll have to wear for the rest of their life, because they sent naked pics of themselves from their phone to a friend of theirs that's the same age.

I don't want to see parents being run through the legal system because they've got some pictures of their baby that happens to be naked.

I don't want to see someone being thrown in jail because they have some kind of manga which, under a broad definition, would qualify as this even though no actual children are involved.

Anything that involves abuse, pornographic or otherwise, should be what the laws focus on regardless of the age of the subjects.

If it was merely "child pornography" that could get your site taken down, then the first idiot teenager to post a topless shot of herself or a guy posting his junk, which you have to admit is disappointingly common, would get your site blown off the internet permanently.

With SOPA in place, Chatroulette, or anything like it, would never have happened at all.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by TheIronYuppie »

pg wrote: post #122
solipsist wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I understand your sentiments towards SOPA, are you really going to distance yourself from all of these companies? http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Actually that's exactly what I thought when I saw the list yesterday. Several of those companies send people to Demo Day, and when I saw the list I thought: we should stop inviting them. So yes, we'll remove anyone from those companies from the Demo Day invite list.

pg - this is bad ass. Way to put your money where your mouth is.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by kulkarnic »

dchest wrote: post #132
shmerl wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good to be distanced from this kind of crowd ;)

Both MasterCard and VISA are there. What to do? :(

I am planning on using my Amex everywhere they take it. I know they're not non-evil with their commissions, but I'm picking from what we have.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by aacook »

I just transferred 9 domains from GoDaddy to Namecheap. I transferred about 15 a while back after the whole elephant hunting incident.

fyi: when you transfer a domain, you're actually getting an entire year renewal + the existing time left on the domain. Using one of the coupon codes from Namecheap ("XMASJOY" or "SOPASucks" or "BYEBYEGD"), it's around $5 on average per domain... less than it is to renew at GoDaddy.

Go do it! Takes only a couple clicks.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by jeffem »

krogsgard wrote: post #5

I don't like GoDaddy any more than most others here, I'm sure. And I certainly hate the idea of SOPA. But don't a lot of big companies support it? In a quick Google search, I found this post referencing support by the Business Software Alliance, which includes Microsoft, Apple, and many others: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/11/17/which-tech-companie...

I was just going to ask the same. I've been thinking about moving away from GoDaddy for a while and this would be just another reason among many. I take it on a case by case basis whether I do business with a company, and I'll continue to do so with many that support SOPA (explicitly or implicitly) as much as I'm opposed to the bill.

There's that expression, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". In the same way that I'm not a fan of a basketball player flopping to draw a foul, I'm not a fan of a company supporting this bill. I totally understand why they do it, but it's not in the spirit of the game IMO.

The bigger problem is the way the game itself is set up. Most people think it's a good idea to hand over their power to a small group of people who get to make decisions for everyone. Businesses see this and figure out that they can realize the benefits of the larger group while only incurring the costs of catering to the smaller group.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by slowpoke »

revscat wrote: post #36
maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

This will most likely result in heavy downvotes, but I don't think child pornography is a problem. At all. There's something else we should be fighting, and the Internet has nothing to do with it: child abuse.

I also find it highly ridiculous that politicians (at least here in Germany) still spout crap about "international, millions of dollar heavy child porn rings" or similar nonsense.

I'd wager[1] that most child pornography is either a) documented domestic abuse of children by relatives or b) jailbait (ie, suggestive or explicit pictures of legally underage, but physically mature persons).

For the former, we're fighting a symptom. As I said, we need to fight the cause, child abuse. But there's a problem with that: it's a long term process, and a difficult one at that. Demanding the takedown of websites with child pornography works way better to get yourself elected.

For the latter, I'd go as far as to ask the following: who is hurt by people with a paraphilia involving underage persons[2] masturbating to images? Especially if those images were made in consent with or even by the person depicted?

[1] This is another thing about the entire child porn discussion: you can't confirm anything without getting yourself in all sorts of legal trouble. There was a good example of this here in Germany a while back, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joerg_Tauss

[2] I'm putting it this way because Pedophilia isn't the only such paraphilia, even though the term is often used to mean "attracted to underage persons", which is very wrong.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by dchest »

blahedo wrote: post #140
dchest wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both MasterCard and VISA are there. What to do? :(

Discover? I've been a happy customer of theirs since the 90s, and their coverage has gotten near total within the US. Sparser in other countries, though.

No Discover or Amex in my country, unfortunately.

(Edit: found a bank that offers Amex, but there's no debit corporate cards, plus I'm not allowed to get a credit card here because I'm not a citizen).

Ah, duopoly.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by abrahamsen »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #139
solipsist wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I understand your sentiments towards SOPA, are you really going to distance yourself from all of these companies? http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

So glad I'm only seeing Marvel Comics and not DC. I don't think I could give up my Vertigo graphic novels.

DC is part of Warner Bros. which is part of Time Warner, which is on the list.
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