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Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.

While Signal does require a phone number to register, they only know your phone number, your date of registration and the date of your phones last connection to signal's servers. Anyone requesting your information from them needs to provide your phone number, so any info they can get is account creation date and date of last connection.

Phone number is enough to find who is behind it in most cases.

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While Signal does require a phone number to register, they only know your phone number, your date of registration and the date of your phones last connection to signal's servers. Anyone requesting your information from them needs to provide your phone number, so any info they can get is account creation date and date of last connection.

Phone number is enough to find who is behind it in most cases.

Signal is more privacy than anonymous.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.

Which ones don't ask for a phone number?

Threema doesn't require a phone number.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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While Signal does require a phone number to register, they only know your phone number, your date of registration and the date of your phones last connection to signal's servers. Anyone requesting your information from them needs to provide your phone number, so any info they can get is account creation date and date of last connection.

Signal shouldn't ask for phone numbers. I don't give a shit what the justification is.

Agree

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yes. yes yes. yes. yes 100%. the same reason i avoid whatsapp and signal like the plague. "mobile number" is in itself a big identifier when you are living in a place where you have o do mandatory KYC so that the government knows which each mobile number is linked to the actual human being. i dont care signal doesnt hold any messages. the government can ask for my number and they can use the xkcd spanner method to do…

>>americans/europeans can hardly imagine. Americans and Europeans have the desire to learn this lesson the hard way. They lack the wisdom to learn from others and instead believe their governments are the noble governments that would never violate their rights for power.

Traditionally Americans are quite suspicious of their government. The battles over 1st Amendment free speech and 2nd Amendment gun rights, among many, are a testament that the sentiment is still widely held.

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So what exactly is your threat model here that signal doesn't counter? They need to know your phone number before asking signal about it.

In much of the world, for the government at least, that is a given: you can't get a phone number without presenting legal ID, and the issuer of the phone number is required by law to maintain this association. This is true in much of Europe, for example.

As far as I know burner phones are still available in the US.

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Which ones don't ask for a phone number?

Threema doesn't require a phone number.

Yes, but afaik Threema also doesn't have publicly discoverable channels, which is the feature that was used here.

Sooo, not really an alternative (at least for the user whose data got subpoena'd).

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>>americans/europeans can hardly imagine. Americans and Europeans have the desire to learn this lesson the hard way. They lack the wisdom to learn from others and instead believe their governments are the noble governments that would never violate their rights for power.

Traditionally Americans are quite suspicious of their government. The battles over 1st Amendment free speech and 2nd Amendment gun rights, among many, are a testament that the sentiment is still widely held.

Well, only republicans.

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I'll get my mum right onto it

In all fairness, I got my entire non-technical family onto xmpp/jabber with Snikket (which is a highly opinionated packaging of existing xmpp server and clients with minor tweaks). They scan a QR code to download the app and join the server. It is e2ee out of the box and the experience is quite comfortable and seamless, even for a non-technical person.

There are varying degrees of “non-technical”, and you lost most of my family at “scan a QR code”

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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>>americans/europeans can hardly imagine. Americans and Europeans have the desire to learn this lesson the hard way. They lack the wisdom to learn from others and instead believe their governments are the noble governments that would never violate their rights for power.

Traditionally Americans are quite suspicious of their government. The battles over 1st Amendment free speech and 2nd Amendment gun rights, among many, are a testament that the sentiment is still widely held.

Notably Democrats and their zeal to oppress those who believe in their freedom of speech. (See Twitter saga and US government's lack of control over media of commoners, aka digital public square)

Only China does it better ... the oppression, of speech, that is, as evidence by a video of CCP police roaming subway trains, reading every subway commuters' cellphone for social media content. As if CPP's ability to monitor centralized servers isn't cutting it anymore.

https://mobile.twitter.com/caro4ontario/status/1597588741371...

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