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A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by balderdash »

mediascreen wrote: post #16

As someone who has grown up with "Freedom to roam"[0] laws, it seems so weird that you would need to keep track of who owns the land where you are hiking. (To be fair you can't just hunt wherever you want in Sweden either.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden

Curious about how civil liability works if someone is injured on your land while partaking of their freedom to roam privileges?

In the US, a lot of the desire to keep people off private lands is liability driven (which is not mentioned in the article) e.g. someone decides to wander onto your land where you are building a house in the country, falls in a ditch at the construction site and sues you for their injuries while trespassing on your land…

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by balderdash »

ryanblakeley wrote: post #53

Corner crossing seems like something that could be solved by saying "where two corners meet there must be an easement xx meters wide to allow the public to cross". I can't imagine any reason why the private landowner should be allowed to put up fencing and signs that block the corner. In cases where the only way to access a parcel of public land is through private land then an easement should be created. If a road or…

Not disagreeing with the sentiment expressed here, but from a PURELY theoretical standpoint, there is no actual space to pass through a corner without trespassing on the two adjacent plots of land

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by balderdash »

pas wrote: post #63
motohagiography wrote: post #60

The kicker in the article that "nobody is going to grant access out of the goodness of their heart," is absolutely untrue. There are fox hunts and hikes in my area where landowners grant access for this reason. What has done the most harm is insurance and the risk of liability and litigation from people injuring themselves on your land, and that has made landowners become very aggressive about trespassers, as it just…

Wait. How is anyone liable if someone slips & trips while trespassing? Being held liable for setting booby traps for thieves, sure, completely understandable. But ... injury while walking ... especially on land that wasn't prepared as a path/road? WTF Is this some kind of black comedy bingo contest? > attitudes against something as obvious as littering just aren't universal either. > Instagram has become an utter can…

In some states even if the person is trespassing you can be liable for contributory negligence.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/who-is-liable-if-a-trespas...

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by shmageggy »

exabrial wrote: post #125

Really shortsided position by the land owner, and I have no doubt he’ll end up with far less rights than he started by raking people over the coals. Pulling straight from Franklin Covey’s seven habits: think win-win. Simply allowing people to cross at the corner and encouraging them to do so by building a path works keeps them off his land and in public areas. Hell even charge them a reasonable fee for the crossing t…

> Simply allowing people to cross at the corner and encouraging them to do so by building a path works keeps them off his land and in public areas.

But that's not what this person wants. He wants to maintain exclusive access to land that isn't his.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by dylan604 »

balderdash wrote: post #141
mediascreen wrote: post #16

As someone who has grown up with "Freedom to roam"[0] laws, it seems so weird that you would need to keep track of who owns the land where you are hiking. (To be fair you can't just hunt wherever you want in Sweden either.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden

Curious about how civil liability works if someone is injured on your land while partaking of their freedom to roam privileges? In the US, a lot of the desire to keep people off private lands is liability driven (which is not mentioned in the article) e.g. someone decides to wander onto your land where you are building a house in the country, falls in a ditch at the construction site and sues you for their injuries w…

where i grew up as a kid, way out in the country suburbia in texas, most people did not have fences. the only fences i knew were barbed wire fences around cattle pastures. one summer, a friend/neighbor got a pool in their back yard and suddenly a new wooden privacy fence went up. it was odd enough that i asked about it, and my friend said it was because his parents didn't want to be sued if someone accidentally drowned in their pool. that was the first time i had ever heard of something like that, and it has always stuck.

someone fucking up on your property without your knowledge, and you can get in trouble. this was also when i learned about how home owner's insurance can be targeted. it was just one of those moments in life when the facade starts to crumble as childhood views start to give way to real world realities

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by HarryHirsch »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #120
HarryHirsch wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More to the point: it's bad policy to normalize her concerns. For the sake of her child we hope that New Mom stops at one and is single. The biggest reason for child abductions is custody disputes and the biggest perpetrators of child sex abuse are older siblings.

> it's bad policy to normalize her concerns. For the sake of her child we hope that New Mom stops at one and is single. This feels like a pointlessly bitter analysis, one that has drawn unnecessarily harsh conclusions. At the time, I started weighing her danger assessment but I stopped. New parents tend to suck at risk analysis. I did. Over time I sorted it out. She would too but not that day. > The biggest reason fo…

LEO & news orgs - both of whom are in the exact position to know better

They are not going to stop producing more of the "stranger danger" nonsense, no matter how politely they are asked. You have to start with the consumers if things are ever going to improve.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by exhilaration »

exabrial wrote: post #125

Really shortsided position by the land owner, and I have no doubt he’ll end up with far less rights than he started by raking people over the coals. Pulling straight from Franklin Covey’s seven habits: think win-win. Simply allowing people to cross at the corner and encouraging them to do so by building a path works keeps them off his land and in public areas. Hell even charge them a reasonable fee for the crossing t…

The best part is that he couldn't even convince a local jury!

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by cpcallen »

randallsquared wrote: post #131
aaomidi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because just giving out land numbers is pretty useless? How much of that land is where people actually are? Most of that land you need to drive to.

If you want to be where people are, you can just be home. Isn't the point of hiking and camping being away from other people? ;)

You misunderstand. The point is that people are only able/willing to travel a certain distance from where they live to use public land. Public land that's very far way from population centres is not useful (for public access purposes) regardless of how much of it there is.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by Aachen »

saagarjha wrote: post #145

Does anyone know if I could go look up ownership of parcels of land in my city? I don’t really need a hiking map, I was just wondering if there was a government database or something where I could look up who owned what.

If you're in Germany, ALKIS I think shows what you're looking for. If in the Netherlands, check PDOK.

Your username somehow gives me an Indian vibe though, so not sure if this was helpful. Might help to specify which city or area you're asking after.

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