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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by rmbyrro »

watwut wrote: post #120
867-5309 wrote: post #107

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>Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. is protecting children more important than a software engineer with no backup's mistakes and first world inconveniences? yes. the AI did its job flawlessly - detected a naked toddler. as did the human verifier. bravo. should it have been detected and flagged? yes. should we be surprised at the chosen free cloud provider's attitude or dismissal? no.

Maybe naked toddlers should not be flagged? You can see naked toddlers bathing in lakes and such. They are naked, cause overwhelming majority if people dont see toddlers as sexual and they themselves are not ashamed of body yet. Naked pre-teen? Sure flag absolutely. Toddler? No.

They're not looking for "normal people", hence why a naked toddler is flagged.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by [deleted] »

skissane wrote: post #96
gonehome wrote: post #76

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IIRC there was a follow up which was arguably worse. Google implied that the account was suspended because of real CSAM concerns unrelated to the photos sent to the doctor/police officer (other photos in their account? they wouldn't go into details about their decision) and that the officer closing the case doesn't mean their judgement here is wrong. If that's the case I can understand why they're obstinate about the…

> There's no due process, no way to defend yourself, no way to get them to show how they made their decision. As I understand it you have no rights beyond the ToS. This is where legislation is required. Mass-scale social media/cloud providers/etc are effectively public utilities, and you should be able to challenge their decisions in court - the current situation is as bad as if the electricity company could disconne…

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by josephcsible »

googlryas wrote: post #125
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

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Forget that - Google states to the media they had reviewed the situation and had decided to uphold his ban. Good luck convincing them to admit their “appeal” system, and their media review, were mistakes. Google is too arrogant for that.

Wasn't there something like the guy searching for CP before the photo was uploaded, or something along those lines?

No.

> “I determined that the incident did not meet the elements of a crime and that no crime occurred,” Mr. Hillard wrote in his report. The police had access to all the information Google had on Mark and decided it did not constitute child abuse or exploitation.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by dylan604 »

rosnd wrote: post #40
josephcsible wrote: post #30

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I wish we had a portable email address format, like phone numbers are, instead of being inherently tied to a provider.

Buy a domain name, now you have a portable email address.

until your domain registrar starts playing stupid reindeer games too

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by lamontcg »

Alupis wrote: post #138
lamontcg wrote: post #134

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Because pursuing it would cost money and time for a service from a company that I'm sure he doesn't want to do any more business with. He's unlikely to get any damages and Google's lawyers will ensure that it takes way too much time. "If they were innocent, why didn't they sue" is an opinion that is really naive of how our legal system works.

The article is a little clumsy here... they seem to indicate it would have been a lawsuit, but the dollar amount quoted would be more in line with arbitration. In both cases there's 3 possible outcomes: 1) Google, after reviewing weak and/or zero evidence, backs down and restores the account upon receipt of notice of intent to pursue legal action. 2) Arbitration happens and Google is ordered to back down, restore the…

> So why would you not pursue legal action?

Hassle.

Some people would prefer to just have a clean break from any abusive relationship rather than continue to engage in conflict, even if the odds are good they'd win.

You also don't know what else is going on in his life and how much bandwidth he has left. One terminally sick relative is all it'll take for the average person to not want to deal with extra bullshit in their life.

And most people don't have their own personal legal department and may not even know a single lawyer, so they don't have any idea of who to trust. If a dozen lawyers called me up and offered their services the first headache I'm having is that I don't know if any of them are trustworthy, and now I need to waste my time vetting them.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by dylan604 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #129
cypress66 wrote: post #63

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I don't know why people use gcp, I would like to hear some opinions. The way I see it, if you don't mind price, you go with AWS (most polished). If you mind price gcp isn't really much cheaper, so you go with something actually cheap like OCI.

Azure doesn't exist, apparently.

not if you're trying to use compute in Germany:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33743567

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by cypress66 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #129
cypress66 wrote: post #63

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I don't know why people use gcp, I would like to hear some opinions. The way I see it, if you don't mind price, you go with AWS (most polished). If you mind price gcp isn't really much cheaper, so you go with something actually cheap like OCI.

Azure doesn't exist, apparently.

Azure I'm not too knowledgeable in terms of polish, but pricing wise it's similar to aws and gcp.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by cypress66 »

Terretta wrote: post #97
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #86

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OCI as in Oracle Cloud Infrastructure?

Yep, it's the deep-pocketed enterprise's Hetzner or DO. The sales slogan is something like, "All the costs of AWS, all the automation of a bare metal box!" Ironically, more suitable to manually point-and-click or phone-call managed "lift and shift" than the infra-as-code clouds.

Oci is much, much cheaper than aws. Data transfer for example is 10x cheaper.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by rosnd »

dylan604 wrote: post #144
rosnd wrote: post #40

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Buy a domain name, now you have a portable email address.

until your domain registrar starts playing stupid reindeer games too

So just work with a decent domain registrar. Or if you have extra money, just pay the fee to become a registrar yourself.

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Post by Gigachad »

FeistySkink wrote: post #37
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #12

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Potentially yes, if you use a personal account for GCP. Don’t do it. If you have to use GCP, use a burner account… because Google is absolutely asinine right now. I would not trust Google if they were a hired employee to turn on my sprinklers in the morning. Edit: For this reason, I am actually all in favor of having GCP, AWS, Azure, etc declared utilities. Unless there is a crime, we have a right to an account. Your…

Anecdotal, but I know somebody who got their personal Google account blocked and then the company they work for GCP account blocked just because their names "looked" the same as somebody else's on the sanction list, even though it was a different person. I'm not sure they ever got the personal one back.

You’d have to be insane to put important infrastructure on a google platform.
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