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AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
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Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#142It seems like the actual story here is entirely ignored: Why are a bunch of journalists concerned with how fast they can send out a push notification?? is the world that creates that incentive healthy? What can we do to remove the incentive that led to people having this kind of a discussion on a slack channel while one dude is at a doctors appointment? This seems like an utter failure of the editorial process in thi…
> What can we do to remove the incentive that led to people having this kind of a discussion on a slack channel while one dude is at a doctors appointment? Delete the internet, then return to newspapers published once a day. Short of that, it's hopeless. With continuous 24/7 publishing, journalists race to beat each other.
And Twitter is still beating them every single time.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What can we do to remove the incentive that led to people having this kind of a discussion on a slack channel while one dude is at a doctors appointment? Delete the internet, then return to newspapers published once a day. Short of that, it's hopeless. With continuous 24/7 publishing, journalists race to beat each other.
And Twitter is still beating them every single time.
No coincidence that so many journalists are twitter addicts.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
> . He needed another source or more context To publish, maybe. He was at a doctors appointment, got a tip, and passed it to his boss. He didn't write the news alert. If they wanted more context, the other people on the chat should have found some.
That's not how I read the linked story? That particular Slack message happened to coincide with his doctor's appointment, but the article that printed had his byline on it. Surely he wrote it, or at the very least dictated it to an editor who put it in the system. No one publishes stories on the wire based on a two-message slack thread sent from the doctor's office!
You can see the alert here[0], it does not have any byline. If you view the source of the page it has a "timestamp" like this:
November 15, 2022
which exactly corresponds to the 1:41pm "alert sent" message in the screenshotted Slack conversation. So they did indeed publish it based on this Slack thread.
[0] https://apnews.com/article/nato-ap-news-alert-europe-poland-...
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
But those were sold with the expectation to be used by Saudi Arabia for that purpose.
Exactly. And the planes that dropped those bombs could only perform their sorties because they were refueled midair by US pilots.
And if we're going down this road, the targets were often provided by US intelligence. Still, Saudi's did the bombing so our hands are squeaky clean.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who say things like “American missiles fired by Ukraine?” It would only make sense to say that if US troops on the ground hosted by Ukraine fired the missiles. It’s stupid. No one says Chinese AK-47s fired by Ukrainian soldiers. Someone was playing stupid.
Are you saying that LaPorta, a Marine so he’s probably more likely to be familiar with these weapons systems than other non-military veteran journos, is playing stupid in the thread about the manufacturing origins of those missiles? The origin, both manufacturing and who fired them, seems pretty relevant in this war because both sides are using a lot of the same weapons systems.
> The origin, both manufacturing and who fired them, seems pretty relevant in this war because both sides are using a lot of the same weapons systems.
That, logically, make the manufacturer less relevant, bordering on irrelevant.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#147Frankly, this seems like an editorial mistake not a journalists mistake. Unless he completely made up the information he received, or lied about the attribution in the internal slack chat, he should not have been fired for this. This was an editorial error. In fact, the exact information he passed along was factually correct by one interpretation. The S-300 rockets were "Russian" in the sense that they were Russian m…
More likely this was akin to the WMD reports and Iraq. There's a conclusion and and information that supports it is fast tracked and not given due diligence. Then the retraction and correction is far more muted. This isn't a bug, it's a feature of modern media propaganda.
The WMD reports were obviously false at the time and the people peddling those lies clearly understood what they were doing. That wasn't a case of something being missed in the heat of the moment and discovered later - tens of millions of people took to the streets in protest and all of them were making it VERY clear that they knew the WMD story wasn't true right at the time it was first brought up.
The WMD story was clear, wilful duplicity and nothing more.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#148It seems like the actual story here is entirely ignored: Why are a bunch of journalists concerned with how fast they can send out a push notification?? is the world that creates that incentive healthy? What can we do to remove the incentive that led to people having this kind of a discussion on a slack channel while one dude is at a doctors appointment? This seems like an utter failure of the editorial process in thi…
The answer isn't to hope others do the right thing or try to find ways to force them to, it is to learn to deal with them not doing the right thing. People should learn (or be taught) to distrust journalists, "experts", politicians, corporations, police, courts, government agencies, celebrities, and anybody who would try to influence our opinion or exert power over us.
Fortunately many people have recently been inoculated with a very healthy distrust of corporate media, so most people I know were pretty sure this story was hogwash from the beginning.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
That seems likely, but you still don't let the reporter off the hook. "Technically correct by one interpretation" isn't the standard for journalistic sourcing. He needed another source or more context (just an identification of these as AA missiles would have been enough to kill the story) and didn't get one. It was a messup on a few different axes, but it's started with bad journalism. Whether or not the guy was fir…
It started with commonplace entry level potential story journalism. The reporter literally passed on a tip that missiles (alleged to be Russian type missiles) had landed in Poland (true). He also passed on that this came from a previously vetted source (also true). After this point the story was literally in the hands of the editorial staff.
Lisa: "Can we report from that or do we need confirmation from another source".
James: "That call is above my pay grade" + "I'm at a doctor's appointment".
Zeina says "source is vetted".
Newsflash sent. Then later retracted.
Laporta fired.
Just flabbergasting.
Re: AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder – Slack chats reveal chaotic process
#150I'm dumbfounded that something so serious (even mentioning Article 5) was rushed to publishing without at least a second source/more clarification. Really damages credibility of news reporting.
Honestly, a declaration of Article 5 would be one of the most significant events in the last 20 years and they really never gave it more thought than just being able to declare that they got a "scoop"