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Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by bmn__ »

capitalsigma wrote: post #120
public_defender wrote: post #59

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Not sure why you're being downvoted. "Just resist psychopaths" is an ableist, reductive paradigm. Of course many people can't just resist. People have families, care responsibilities, and many are indeed conditioned to accommodate.

Would you say that it's also ableist to ask people to "just resist fascism"? After all, many people are indeed conditioned to accommodate fascism. Or pick another -ism you prefer.

Yes, that hews into the same notch. One cannot simply resist any form of oppression, there were/are only a lucky few who had the motivation, ability and resources to do so. If you are one of those and would gladly take a fight against the world to make it better, then be mindful to not hastily generalise from your position.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by dingaling »

divbzero wrote: post #130
wskish wrote: post #57

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I see that whiteboard as a mechanism to help build a shared mental model for all assembled. Everyone there has seen some previous unknown revision of architectural diagrams, and has their own partial model of the system. Due to the urgency at hand, they all need to have a crisp shared model of the important parts, down to the naming of things.

What puzzles me is that Twitter’s greatest challenges in recent years have not been technical. There shouldn’t be a technical emergency that requires an urgent call for all software engineers.

That single Tweet took eleven seconds to load on my phone, up to the point that all spinners stopped and all elements were visible. That seems typical for Twitter on the web these days and suggests there is something technically wrong in the stack.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by kamaal »

techolic wrote: post #84
nathanaldensr wrote: post #42

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The fact that so many people so willingly give in to it is why sociopaths rule us all.

Just an example: if you hold an L visa, your only other option is packing your stuff and going back to your home country.

It's not just L visa(I was on L a few years back, and returned back).

Let's be honest this is far from what people call slavery. They are being paid multiples of six digit salaries, RSUs and work in one of the most happening tech ecosystems of the world.

I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like.

I kind of envy those guys working on these projects. I hope I was the one there.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by esoterica »

kcplate wrote: post #129
x128 wrote: post #48

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and what do I gain by giving my soul to the company?

Maybe a lot of you are willing to take a chance with some risk and some effort. Maybe you get nothing. I know some really wealthy people who are only wealthy because they took a little risk. I know some people who could be wealthy too if they took the same leap, but didn’t and they aren’t. Perhaps they felt like you do…. It all comes down to choices. These people sticking at Twitter are making their choice. Others le…

Risk in return for what reward? There's no reason to believe there's any more upside to working at Twitter vs any other big tech company where you don't have a egonomaniac CEO making you do stupid hazing rituals. It's not like a startup where your equity can be worth hundreds of millions of dollars if there's a big IPO. Twitter is well past the 1000x growth stage.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by esoterica »

wskish wrote: post #25

I am amazed by how polarizing this seems to be. Some of my best memories are from previous startups with this exact 1am energy. This is how shared mental models are built, shit gets done, and shared suffering cements lifelong bonds.

> shared suffering cements lifelong bonds.

I'm sorry, is this a cult or a workplace? Why is this a good thing?

> This is how shared mental models are built, shit gets done

I get why Elon wants people to work until 1am, but what's in it for the employees? Why work 2x as hard and 2x as long and get 2x shit done if you're not getting paid 2x as much?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by gitgud »

sys_64738 wrote: post #17

Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.

> Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.

I agree, I wouldn't stay till 1am for anybody... but if the world's richest man just bought the company I worked for, then personally came to work with us through the night... I would definitely consider it (also not an Elon fan btw)

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by cmh89 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #61
hotpotamus wrote: post #19

Honestly, I like the picture of the new owner coming in and having engineers whiteboard the systems out to him and start getting up to speed with the company. It does have a nice feeling of espirit de corps to it. If he had started with that instead of fire and fury and a lame sink joke, he wouldn't have tarnished his image and the company so much.

Twitter is a mature tech platform that routinely onboards people at all levels of technical experience into every part of itself. There's no way they don't have probably several entire programs for getting people up to speed on how it all works. Possibly even a few full time dedicated people working only on that, actually. At least before he fired them anyway. This is nothing but ego and hubris still.

Its wild how many people believe this dumb "pull up of your sleeves" photo op bullshit. Musk doesn't even have a B.S., dude couldn't understand how to build a barn door much more something like Twitter.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by cmh89 »

big_red wrote: post #122
raydev wrote: post #114

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> What an opportunity to learn I suspect you've never been around Musk or people of Musk's class. What could you possibly learn that would materially improve anything in your life other than "you get to keep your job (for now)"? Or is it just curiosity you want to satisfy?

His habits. You can’t regularly work 80 hour weeks without packing a few tricks. You can’t build multiple billion dollar companies without knowing something others don’t. Often I find when talking to successful people, they’ll make a revealing offhand comment that’s pure gold and can in fact change your life - if you’re paying attention. An example might be Einstein and Steve Jobs having a full wardrobe of duplicates…

>His habits.

His "habits" are asking the people with actual knowledge what to do and then sometimes ignoring them when he gets too involved in his twitter drama.

>An example might be Einstein

Elon had to lie about his Bachelors degree, please don't compare him to an actual genius.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by spoils19 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #126
bern4444 wrote: post #36

Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…

I've never seen an optional hackathon that didn't come with serious "contribute or else" vibes.

It's fairly common, actually, to have completely optional hackathons. I guess it would depend on the social circles you hang around, or if you falsely believe that there is actually an "or else" consequence.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by spoils19 »

kamaal wrote: post #143
techolic wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just an example: if you hold an L visa, your only other option is packing your stuff and going back to your home country.

It's not just L visa(I was on L a few years back, and returned back). Let's be honest this is far from what people call slavery. They are being paid multiples of six digit salaries, RSUs and work in one of the most happening tech ecosystems of the world. I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like. I kind of envy those guys working on these projects. I h…

Agreed. I've missed multiple deaths in the family, important events with friends and sacrificed a large chunk of my life to be in one of the most happening tech ecosystems in the world. Even when I was eventually fired due to burn out, I walked away thinking to myself: "I still envy the people in that office, working hard for that CEO".
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