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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by NavinF »

smoldesu wrote: post #74
eropple wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did those not have automatic graphics switching? I tapped out of Intel MBPs around 2017, but AGS made using them pretty decent for the time.

They did, and technically the underpinnings exist for you to do the same thing on Linux (Nvidia PRIME render offloading). Generally though, if you're a 3D creator or ML researcher I could definitely see this machine making a case for itself.

I can't imagine why a professional would train on a laptop. These days a lot of models need a minimum of 20GB vram to get reasonable speeds. Not to mention GPU prices have crashed. A lot of consumer motherboards can run 4 x 3090 for $800 each.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

slashdev wrote: post #25
gandalfgeek wrote: post #19

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.

This is why I started using Pop. I saw something about better power saving and yeah, it has better defaults out of the box and I got better battery life.

Now if only everything else worked flawlessly out of the box.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by NavinF »

zamalek wrote: post #40

> Configure your InfinityBook Pro 14 optionally with the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti and turn your lightweight business laptop into an ultra-portable gaming console! Why are so many Linux laptops NVIDIA? It know that we have the OS kernel + blob userspace option now, but it's still early days. My desktop is AMD, my laptop is NVIDIA, and the difference is night-and-day. I would honestly have an IGPU in a laptop over NV…

because they still don't officially support CUDA on consumer cards, only on the overpriced data center cards

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by chmod775 »

nextos wrote: post #118
NavinF wrote: post #114

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> no desktop environment > I have all services a modern desktop has LMAO I visit this comment section for the same reason I visit a zoo.

> I visit this comment section for the same reason I visit a zoo. Before making offensive comments, have you thought about the meaning of my statement? For example, a modern DE offers desktop notifications. I still have that by running a desktop notification daemon, dunst, despite just using X plus a window manager but no DE. Linux is very much broken into small composable components, the same way Clojure is. To take…

I feel like this argument would be moot if all had the same understanding of the terms they were using. People seem bit hazy on what that the term desktop environment actually describes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by seanp2k2 »

gandalfgeek wrote: post #19

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

AMD has them beat on battery life too, Intel just keeps pushing up TDP to try to get perf back even though their node size is bigger and their fab tech is behind. It looks good on paper to call this a "14-core laptop" too but really it's more like an 8-core with a 6-core co-processor.

I like this in general, but $2400 + $100 shipping for an i7-12700H / 32GB DDR5 / 2TB 980 Pro / non-OLED display is a bit high. I'm personally waiting for this Vivobook Pro 16x to drop later this year: https://www.asus.com/laptops/for-creators/vivobook/vivobook-...

- Ryzen 9 6900HX (8-core / 4.9Ghz) - RTX 3060 / 6GB GDDR6 - Choice between 4K/60 OLED or 3200x2000/120 OLED, both with >=550nits and TUV cert - 2x NVMe slots so 8TB max SSD? - 90whr battery - The current model is $1650 / free shipping on Amazon so expected pricing is the same as it replaces that model (current: M7600RE-XB99, new: M7601)

For $2400 you can get a ProArt Studiobook H5600QR-XB99 with Ryzen 9 5900HX | 64GB | 2TB | RTX 3070 or for $2200 (on sale right now) a Razer Blade 14 with 6900HX |RTX 3070 Ti| 14" QHD 165Hz | 16GB DDR5 RAM | 1TB, so those are what this is competing with, and those others come with Windows licenses too (it looks like the Vivobook MIGHT be available without an OS, but no word on what configurations offer that).

- 16" 3.2K 120 Hz OLED

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by qwytw »

imiric wrote: post #98
trelane wrote: post #85

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> Hell, I'm sure many Linux users would be willing to pay a premium if all the other aspects are there. Evidence so far indicates that they do not, when given the chance.

What evidence? I don't think there's a machine that delivers on all those aspects, and makes Linux a first-class citizen. Dell and Lenovo generally do a pretty good job, and those machines sell well, but I think the quality is still below what, say, Apple can deliver. Judging by the push to get Linux to run on Apple hardware, I'd say Linux enthusiasts are not only willing to pay a premium for a quality product, but w…

> Judging by the push to get Linux to run on Apple hardware . That's still a very small subset of a very small market. I highly doubt it would be even remotely viable to develop a product comparable to M1/M2 Macs if you're targeting the Linux market. Even if you can get decent margins the scale is just no there. At best you can get some rebadged Windows laptops like HP Dev One.

Framework is probably an exception but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those who bought it still use Windows

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by qudat »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #18
GreyStache wrote: post #11

I'm typing this on my 1 year old Tuxedo InfinityBook (S 14 Gen6, not the Pro). Now I'm definitely spoiled by the Lenovo X1 series, but I'm not happy. The hardware is a rebrand from clevo-computer.com - some minor spare parts can be had from there. The system is VERY prone to overheating, the fan is noisy. They claim the fan noise is "not annoying" which is only true in the short term. I have opened up the bottom shel…

Not having owned one personally, the questionable quality of the engineering and QC of Clevo-based laptops has what has kept me away from them. Reviews for them are almost always some shade of "this is mediocre" or "this would be nice if not for X, Y, and Z". While they still have a ways to go, I'm more hopeful for Framework since they do their own engineering, and I'm interested to see what system76 does in the self…

I have a framework and love it

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by qwytw »

taink wrote: post #21
fbhabbed wrote: post #3

Good battery, good customizability, but I'm wondering: - Who is actually producing these? Are they resellers? For whom? - They mention TuxedoOS. Why? Can you have the same experience with a vanilla Debian or Arch? - Customs costs. They may inflate the price quite a lot depending on where you are

Their website provides good enough information I believe: - They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. - They mention TuxedoOS for the same reason System76 mentions Pop_OS!: because they made it. I would expect it to work with any one of the OS included in their WebFAI[2] pretty well[3], which by the way I believe is actually se…

> They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves.

AFAIK they only sell rebadged Clevo products. You should be able to get any of their laptops on https://clevo-computer.com/en/laptops-configurator/ just without the badge.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by pmontra »

XorNot wrote: post #104
nextos wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Linux is not less efficient than other major OSes. I am able to squeeze 5% more battery from a MacBook Air 11'' Late 2012 using Linux vs macOS. This is possible because the machine is basically a pure Intel device, so in-kernel support for most hardware components is good. The key aspect is to implement fairly aggressive udev rules and to use no desktop environment, so that the CPU stays in powersaving states…

> and to use no desktop environment, Why do people write comments like this as though it's reasonable way to use an everyday driver PC? "I don't use a DE" - well then yes, obviously but you've also removed like 80% of the functionality to turn the thing into a dumb console. That's not what I want to use a computer for.

This is not a text only console. It's how I was using UNIX workstations circa 1990. Boot to a script running startx to run X11 and a window manager (ttwm?).

What was I missing? Probably a start menu / launcher (but I guess it can be installed and run anyway) and a control panel for settings.

Which modern software won't run in such a setup? Maybe dbus? Systemd? I think a lot of GUI software would still run, some won't, daemons and servers probably would.

Is this something for the nerdiest 1% of the nerdiest 1%? Definitely. I won't do that myself because it's too much of a hassle and I'll probably have to revert to a standard DE to run some software I need for work, but it will work, mostly.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by nextos »

CoolCold wrote: post #61
spaniard89277 wrote: post #33

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It seems that we're not getting anything close to the M1. I'll stick to second-hand thinkpads for now, but I'd really like to have a thinkpad with some ARM resembling M1. We had a good shot with frame.work but it seems nobody is going to make other boards nor are keyboards really replaceable with thinkpad-like keyboards, so the swappable parts concept falls very short for now.

I agree that X13s looks underpowered comparing to Apple's laptops, but from my understanding of reviews - it's working machine, not a proof of concept of WoA style gimmick

Qualcomm claim they are releasing a CPU that is comparable to the M1/2 lineup next year.

The X13s can run Linux fairly well right now, so it's promising.

IMHO, ARM CPUs are going to eat the low and mid-end laptop market due to their energy-saving advantage.

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