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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

I recall Snow Leopard was quite intuitive after Windows, and iPhone 4. Definitely not what MacOS and iOS have become.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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None of this has any true value, it's all just taste, human memory and preference. All you can do try try various systems and pick what works for you, while also remembering that you're not the only person in the world, and sometimes a not-as-good experience for yourself can mean a much better integration with the people you live and work with.

This. Hell, if you, as a skilled user, can't do your job on any OS just fine then the problem is you, not the software. You need to learn the software and adapt. Yes there are exceptions for some tasks where the hassle isn't worth it due to missing apps but with WSL on Windows, zsh on macOS and any various linux distro the average dev can do their job just fine. There are corrections for window snapping on macOS like Magnet. Hell the way macOS does hidden files is just straight linux. You learn to work where you are, not complain and bash the software, they are all perfectly good enough for a modern dev. I jumpped between macOS, Windows, Ubuntu and even chromeOS as a FE dev and all of them have a terminal, VS code, and even good Git Gui apps. That doesn't mean some tasks are not easier or that hard to use software design is the fault of the users, it's just that the complaints are pretty silly coming from someone who had to learn KDE's quirks and yes there are great solutions for this on any OS.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it…

FWIW, fellow Android->iPhone escapee here. I am not planning to get an Android phone for a while, unless iOS becomes much worse or Android much better.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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> I don't really agree. The really interesting part of intuitiveness is how it scales once you became familiar with the basic set of UX primitives. Is intuitiveness the right word? I make the same arguments about Vim, that it's one of the most logically consistent editors once you learn the basic set of primitives (not perfect of course). But I don't think anyone would call it intuitive. > Take, for example copying.…

>I have no idea what you mean, but you can drag lots of stuff in windows to different places and stuff happens. On macOS, there's a concept called "Proxy Icons". These are little icons that are shown in a title bar of a document-based applications (e.g. "[ICON] My File.txt"). You can interact with these icons as if they are an actual file on the disk. For example, you have "My File.txt" open in TextEdit, and you want…

Sounds a lot like drag and drop saving, which as I recall was a feature first introduced in RiscOS. That UI was way ahead of its time.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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I find some of these "use a mac at work" companies do it because boring companies are trying to be "hip and cool". One place i know uses Java exclusively, but the devs all have macbooks because they are cool? How/why does a macbook improve java app development vs the standard issue Lenovo's? It is like these old and boring companies think that by using macs they are suddenly "trendy and hip" and the millennials will…

It’s all down to taste. I loathe Lenovos and would never want to be forced to use one. I’d tolerate an ASUS ROG laptop or even a Dell XPS. But Mac would easily be the best quality. It has nothing to do with being hip or cool, it’s a taste preference. If anything, Linux is the hipster preference. Many smaller companies also prefer managing Macs rather than Windows. Though I’ve rarely seen a technical company reject Li…

Again, individual experiences vary and this is not my experience.

What does it mean when a company buys a few dozen macbooks, but has zero mac experience and when they fail they end up in a drawer because no one knows how to fix them?

To me this screams "poor planning". When the lenovo's failed they were sent to the in-house tech team, usually they were simply reimaged and put back into production. One of the macbooks sat in a desk for ~8 months due to some "boot issue".

If it boils down to "taste" and your entire company is based on Lenovo laptop/desktops then moving to a mac would seem odd. Again more odd once you realize you cant support them.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Biggest burn I had:

Drag and dropping a named folder on the desktop where a folder with the same name already lived resulted in the desktop folder content being replaced with the dropped folder content and the loss of all its content. I was expecting a merge or a copy/overwrite dialog, not the overwrite of the desktop folder content.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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I made the switch from Linux to KDE a few years back. It takes a while to learn all the new keyboard shortcuts—in fact most of the missing bits quoted in the article are present, just not where/how you were used to them in KDE.

What really sold me on MacOS though was multi-finger touchpad gestures, like three-finger drag and four finger desktop switch. It's difficult or even impossible to get that on Linux (at least it was a couple years back when I last tried).

Then there are other small things like the consistent availability of emacs-like keybindings. I'm using Ctrl-t to exchange ('transpose') two adjacent characters all the time to fix typos in-place. Under Linux this is very much hit-and-miss and depends on the app toolkit.

Bottomline: one you're used to MacOS it's not worse than KDE (which is still great BTW).

Re: KDE beats macOS

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> Keepass didn't really integrate with ios, in android I can select it as my own "autofill provider" I've been using an iPhone for almost exactly 2 years now and I didn't realized until like a month ago that you can change the default password manager. Unless Keepass just didn't tap into the API (which would surprise me), but Enpass works like a charm and I felt like an idiot for manually going into the app and copy-…

On the pixel phone "it just works" with keepass. But yeah I didn't know about that option either in iOS after 2.5 years.. It says something about the UI I think.

I don't know. My password manager just told me to change the option there and it was never an issue. They have to put the setting somewhere. Alternatively a password manager could register itself with the OS, but that has a certain security risk (even with a dialog, which we just tend to dismiss).

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Biggest burn I had: Drag and dropping a named folder on the desktop where a folder with the same name already lived resulted in the desktop folder content being replaced with the dropped folder content and the loss of all its content. I was expecting a merge or a copy/overwrite dialog, not the overwrite of the desktop folder content.

Hope you had timemachine on which allowed you to instantly recover the contents?

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

> Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. No, it is not. The word "intuitive" is defined by Merriam-Webster as "readily learned or understood" and "knowable by intuition". If the UI is not one of these things, then it is not "intuitive" in the general sense of the word.

there are few intuitive things other than a mother breast.

Take doors handles or light switches. Must be learned.

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