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Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by EricE »

parrellel wrote: post #32
grzes wrote: post #9

why is hacker-news flooded lately with mastodon-related content? it's irritating

Musk has been running around being the Internet's favorite clown for the last ~10 days and is causing massive disruption. Mastodon is the twitter competitor, and as a federated product has a bunch of independent uncoordinated cheerleaders.

And because it's federated, it will never work in any of the ways they are pissed off at Elon for changing in Twitter. You just can't make stuff like this up - it's amazing to watch!

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by anderspitman »

snapetom wrote: post #130
anderspitman wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a federated protocol causes the average user to use more than 1TB of traffic in a month, then it's a bad protocol. There very well may be exceptional cases (famous people regularly going viral), but they wouldn't want to be hosting from a home location anyway.

Yes, I'm sure someone like Selena Gomez is going to get her team to self hosting from her EC2 instance /s The "famous people" care about getting their posts to fans. If you're able to convince and migrate hundreds of millions of teenagers to this self-hosted dream, sure. However, that's just not going to happen.

In this dream, I imagine people like Selena Gomez would pay for a Mastodon account to be hosted by a 3rd party. She would gladly pay thousands of dollars a year for her Twitter account if that was the only way for her to keep it, and not even notice the cost. There will be plenty of Mastodon providers willing to offer five 9s for far less than that.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by EricE »

emp_ wrote: post #42

You see it meme'd relentlessly about the concept of having "fuck you money" and the crazy things one could do. Well, it finally happened in a undisputable, greatest possible example kinda way, and now everyone is scrambling to adjust.

Hardly everyone. Just a vocal minority. The vast majority of whom will be back on Twitter and paying the $8. Don't believe me? Let's just come back in six months and check.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by alexb_ »

rakoo wrote: post #139
alexb_ wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually infuriating to read. If it's harder than "App downloaded, account made" then you've already lost. Anything more complex than that is a complete non-starter.

Lost what, exactly ? Contrary to the capitalistic world of Twitter, where bigger faster is always better, the fediverse is not about that. If you don't want to adapt and are just trying to recreate Twitter, it's a complete non-starter.

Lost the ability to actually reach people. Lost the ability to actually talk with people in your communities. Lost the ability for fucking anybody who isn't a wizard to know how to even read something. I mean Jesus, bulletin boards are easier than this.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by rakoo »

seydor wrote: post #53
anderspitman wrote: post #34

Yes. But even more important is software like Mastodon needs to get easier for people to selfhost, by about an order of magnitude. It shouldn't be any more difficult or less secure to run your own Mastodon instance than it is to run an app on your phone. In my vision of the future internet, when you upgrade your phone, your old phone gets plugged into a power socket and USB drive in the corner and becomes your new se…

should be wordpress-level easy at least. But last i checked it wasnt easy. Otherwise , mastodon hosters will become sneaky corporate spies, ad injectors and data resellers

Install yunohost. Clicks in a UI.

Install pleroma. Or mastodon. Or pixelfed (for images). Or peertube (for videos). Or plume (for blogging). Clicks in a UI.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by hdesh »

Maybe Mastodon already handles many of the following concerns. However I can imagine any organization would go through a series of questions before they start running their own server:

1. How much does it cost?

2. Who does it benefit?

3. Who takes the ownership of the deployment?

4. If something needs to be fixed with the deployment, who does that?

5. Why should I prefer this over say slack/teams, where I get support bundled in my contract?

6. What happens if someone puts up something nasty on the internal mastodon network? The legal department hates this one weird trick.

7. Does it create a headache for the HR department if people start violating their corporate code of conduct on the mastodon network?

Maybe I am pessimistic, but OP is probably being quite dreamy here.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by systemicdanna »

judge2020 wrote: post #135
snapetom wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The self-hosting argument shows how out of touch fediverse developers are. Try explaining to the influencer celeb why they should self-host. In fact, just try explaining to them they need to pick a mastodon instance, any instance. "it's so easy." No it's not.

A good solution I can see is "choose an interest", with each public mastodon instance having some cheeky emoji and tagline in a list. So if someone typed "makeup" they might filter to the mastodon instance "beauty.social", instead of needing to find beauty.social before even getting started with creating an account.

The risk of this approach is that you are not picking an interest. You are picking an environment with a set of rules and regulation, an environment that has certain physical constraints (response time, scaleability), an environment that decides which instances you can federate with.

Try explaining that with an emoji and a fun tagline.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by fragmede »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #80
CJefferson wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes seem to be writing sarcastically and I'm not sure why. You are right, I, like many people, believe Elon is going to ruin Twitter, possibly bankrupting it. Therefore it is worth looking at alternatives. The ruining of Twitter makes alternatives more attractive.

> Yes seem to be writing sarcastically and I'm not sure why. Because it's hard to write any other way when people are losing their minds over a storm in a teacup. Literally nothing meaningful has changed about Twitter in the last few months. This is an entirely self-induced panic, based on a couple cases of someone maliciously misinterpreting a tweet here and there and everyone else amplifying it, and fueled by irrat…

I'd say firing half the company, which includes the content moderation team very meaningful. Especially to those who just lost their jobs.

Sure, the site itself looks the same, the logo is the same, but there's a ton of turmoil for the people behind the scenes. Not everything is run by computers, there are a lot of humans in the loop for the day-to-day operations of the site. The core product of "post tweet" and everything else which is all automated, sure, but there's tons of stuff that isn't, because it can't be. All that backend stuff has changed, even if you don't see it.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by Spivak »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #80
CJefferson wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes seem to be writing sarcastically and I'm not sure why. You are right, I, like many people, believe Elon is going to ruin Twitter, possibly bankrupting it. Therefore it is worth looking at alternatives. The ruining of Twitter makes alternatives more attractive.

> Yes seem to be writing sarcastically and I'm not sure why. Because it's hard to write any other way when people are losing their minds over a storm in a teacup. Literally nothing meaningful has changed about Twitter in the last few months. This is an entirely self-induced panic, based on a couple cases of someone maliciously misinterpreting a tweet here and there and everyone else amplifying it, and fueled by irrat…

> by irrational fear and hatred towards Musk

All your other point are good but this one surprises me. I think at this point people can have very rational fear and hatred of this guy. He's a 50 year old man with literally the world view of and politics a 14 year old edgelord on Fortnite but with enough money and following to do real damage with that. The biggest fears people seem to have is that he actually succeeds at his stated intentions for the platform.

Re: Your Organization should run its own Mastodon server

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Post by parrellel »

EricE wrote: post #141
parrellel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk has been running around being the Internet's favorite clown for the last ~10 days and is causing massive disruption. Mastodon is the twitter competitor, and as a federated product has a bunch of independent uncoordinated cheerleaders.

And because it's federated, it will never work in any of the ways they are pissed off at Elon for changing in Twitter. You just can't make stuff like this up - it's amazing to watch!

Eh, so long as the walled garden collapses, no?
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