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Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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Inqtel also funds Anaconda, Mongodb and Gitlab, interesting

They fund much more than this, and almost all of it is cool. Check out In-Q-Tel Labs, they have some cool projects. disclaimer: I work with In-Q-Tel investments almost daily, but am not affiliated.

That's a pretty interesting portfolio.

Do you see any interesting trends? In terms of one layer deeper than the general trends such as AI, space, etc.

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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What might somebody (or some company) use this for? 192 bytes * 750 packets = 144000 bytes per month at what speed/latency?

Hourly data collection for science like stream gages, earthquakes, air quality, precipitation, or similar in very remote areas. Sensors along a pipeline etc to monitor remote infrastructure. Texting in remote areas for logging, cattle, forestry services, etc. Redundancy for boats, emergency services etc that may have primary and secondary communication channels, but still greatly benefit from the capacity for redunda…

Wouldn't a pipeline be ideal for a wire or fiber just by attaching it along it?

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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What might somebody (or some company) use this for? 192 bytes * 750 packets = 144000 bytes per month at what speed/latency?

This seems like a surprisingly small amount of data in this day and age of connectedness. I wonder how much total bandwidth each of these satellites can push per month. Anyone know the backend aggregate sustained data rate per sat?

I don’t have the numbers, but at least for Iridium the data service is basically an afterthought. They allocated so much of their bandwidth to voice (using older insufficient voice codecs no less) and are now essentially locked in to a suboptimal bandwidth allocation. They must didn’t realise the importance of data when originally designing their hardware. And hardware in space is expensive to change.

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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I have one of their dev kits (the neat one with a built in solar panel and Wi-Fi connection) - sadly I was unable to get it to send/receive more than 1 message in San Francisco over a 3 month period.

(I live on a side of a hill and had the entire dev kit standing on my roof that was tall enough to have a view over a large part of the city and out into the bay)

At the time, I heard from support that they were launching new satellites that would improve the connectivity in built up locations (such as a city) but I eventually gave up.

At the time, there were 2 satellites a day that were prospects to connect to based on my location, but we met an invisible issue that couldn't be debugged. Potentially it was a satellite visibility issue but could have also been that the available satellite connection was backlogged with other devices / the satellite didn't have a large enough window of connectivity to perform the upload / there was noise interfering with the connection / other mysterious reason that would need expensive test equipment to root cause.

I took it with me into the plains one day (Livermore) and it connected once in the 8.5 hours I was there so it was functional and the RF signal strength was good for the received packet.

My takeaway was that the tech is well suited for rural areas all over the globe where there is no other connectivity options and there exists applications that can work well with the high latency / low bandwidth payloads. Well monitoring jumps to mind as does CO2 gas monitoring in mines - slow moving signals, rural locations, expensive to send a truck to go and monitor.

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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I have one of their dev kits (the neat one with a built in solar panel and Wi-Fi connection) - sadly I was unable to get it to send/receive more than 1 message in San Francisco over a 3 month period. (I live on a side of a hill and had the entire dev kit standing on my roof that was tall enough to have a view over a large part of the city and out into the bay) At the time, I heard from support that they were launchin…

Have you tried panel mounting the antenna on a big (at least 4 sq ft) ground plane? We use these at work and had a very hard time until we started building nice big ground planes into all mechanical designs (that and reading the design advice on the decoupling network with a microscope).

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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This reminds me of Hiber[1]. Hiber launched in 2016 with the mission of connecting the 90% of the world that didn’t have access to connectivity. They were working on HiberBand, a protocol to communicate ultra-low power for remote IoT solutions. It sounded very promising and futuristic, a bit like a mix between Starlink and Swarm of today. At some point Hiber pivoted away from a connectivity-only business model. You could no longer use them for general purpose IoT connectivity, instead they focused on building end-to-end solutions. Hiber today markets itself as an "off-grid asset monitoring" solution focusing heavily on the oil industry.

I suspect there is some underlying issue with these high-latency / low-bandwidth solutions that just makes them impractical in real life.

[1]: https://hiber.global/hiberhilo/

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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I see some possible problems:

- IMHO, price could be prohibitive for many use cases (e.g. water meters)

- Signal strength could be an issue for urban environments (e.g. inside buildings)

- There aren't many small business use cases for IoT connectivity that does beyond WiFi (both wrt range and power budget). What I have seen is that there are usually several big players (e.g. utilities, municipality, factories) that at some point deploy LoRa based or similar connectivity. LoRa can actually cover a huge area with just a handful of self operated gateways (similar to Helium in this respect).

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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What exactly is the plan here for when a satellite is obsolete or dies? Currently we either have the satellite re-enter earths atmosphere or we use the last bit of fuel to send them even fruther away. But these seems very static

If these truly are just 11x11x2.8cm - then in a few years we will have bunch of super fast and very destructive mini bullets orbiting earth and destroying very expensive space equipment.

Can we please consider the amount of trash we send out in space before it is too late?

Re: Swarm – Low cost, global satellite connectivity for IoT

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Critical applications that are only sending one data point per hour. It's limited to 750 packets per month.

What do you mean 1 data point? It transmits bytes, not data points. I could easily stuff 60 temperature and humidity readings into one hourly 192b packet(ie per-minute weather data). That's 120 data points, not 1. And you could easily double that with simple differential encoding or beyond other compression techniques

Yeah what I meant to underline was that for a critical application you won't be able to react faster than one hour in case the data reports a critical issue. So not suitable for security or any application where you need less than one hour latency. I guess if you need satellite coms maybe the sensor is not in a place you can go in one hour anyway.
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