Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 505 posts

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#141

Post by pydry »

threeseed wrote: post #70
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

It's very easy to say this at a high level. But once you look into the reasons behind every ban you will see the subtleties that surround this discussion. There is a reason that content moderation has been classed as the world's toughest problem.

Just coz it's hard to do it well doesnt mean they were trying to do it well.

Neither will Musk, most likely. Im sure we will be regaled with "unappreciated subtleties" about why tweeting about his private jet flights is a no no.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#142

Post by _-david-_ »

socialismisok wrote: post #43
txsoftwaredev wrote: post #7

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

A joke about trans people is not transphobia. If somebody makes a joke about white people is that whitephobia?

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#143

Post by socialismisok »

bakugo wrote: post #99
socialismisok wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you don't have free speech here either. Mods will absolutely come in and remove content and ban you for many of the same things Twitter will.

Not entirely untrue, but the difference is that here, if someone posts "I really hate [group of people] and I wish they'd die" it's generally considered breaking the rules, but on twitter whether or not this statement breaks the rules depends on what group of people you targeted.

Citation needed. Can you find a tweet that says that, report it and tell if me it's found to have violated the rules?

I see leftists in my communities getting banned all the time.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#144

Post by mensetmanusman »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116
bakugo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

The issues is who gets to define what is phobia. Anything you say can be misconstrued as a phobia somewhere in the world.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#145

Post by pessimizer »

Nursie wrote: post #35

I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

> I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant.

I imagine this is a repetition of what every single article in a mainstream outlet has insisted will happen for months, rather than an insight.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#146

Post by labrador »

sascha_sl wrote: post #91
labrador wrote: post #65

Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

Jokes about alcoholics and bipolar people aren't usually part of a political campaign (willing or unwilling) to get them barred from many parts of public life[1] or fuel other genocidal ambitions[2]. Also, they're not even funny. Maybe because their function is not to make you laugh. [1]: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1582492801190674432 [2]: https://www.damemagazine.com/2022/03/15/trans-people-are-in-...

Perhaps you are unaware that many recovering alcoholics choose to remain anonymous because revealing it would be damaging to their career. I don't tell people I'm bipolar under my real name because I noticed it scares people and they pull away from being friends with me. So don't tell me how trans women are more special than me.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#147

Post by socialismisok »

bakugo wrote: post #130
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.

Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#148

Post by thedorkknight »

nemo44x wrote: post #71
labrador wrote: post #65

Babylon Bee seems pretty harmless. I find right wing humor to be fairly low-IQ, but they should be able to joke about trans women without getting banned. I'm a recovering alcoholic and bipolar, so I have to put up with jokes about drunks and manic street preachers. Why should trans get a pass? Heck, I even tell jokes about drunks and manic street preachers myself.

They should be able to joke about anything. There are no sacred cows. If someone doesn’t like their humor then don’t read it. Don’t follow them.

Then they shouldn't have agreed to not joke about that stuff in the first place

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#149

Post by memish »

xadhominemx wrote: post #113
mrkstu wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

They don’t have the right to say hateful things about someone on someone else’s platform. They had a privilege, which was conditionally revoked.

Saying "the Earth is round" is hateful from the perspective of flat earthers. Would you apply the same logic equally and make it an offense to satirize this particular belief?

Or to bring it full circle, I doubt the Bee would petition to get someone banned for satirizing "God" or saying "God is not real". If they did, we would call it out too.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

#150

Post by socialismisok »

fallingknife wrote: post #112
bediger4000 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're correct. The example of the Heat Death of Usenet seems relevant. If you don't trim spam and annoyances, people leave. I think Musk's Twitter will be an interesting test, if Musk allows enough unfettered speech.

Both Reddit and Twitter were basically free for alls until 2015 or so. Their user numbers were growing strongly. So I don't buy the whole offensive speech is going to drive off users angle. Spam is a different story, but Elon Musk has never said he is going to allow that.

Why not allow spam? Surely the marketplace of ideas should be as free and open as possible?
Post reply on HN