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NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by HWR_14 »

SllX wrote: post #102
HWR_14 wrote: post #81

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> That’s easy: it’s not our guy! It’s those other guys! I mean, that has certainly been true for me, and many other people. I sent someone to Congress I liked. Congress then has a wide spectrum of people who end up doing whatever a small group decides (this term, whatever Manchin and Sinema want). It's pretty easy to like your guy but not the end results of the process or the body as a whole that produced it.

> It's pretty easy to like your guy but not the end results of the process or the body as a whole that produced it. This is the biggest argument against my ideas of reform: this is compromise actually working even with all the flaws I think are there. In the absence of consensus the consensus is to do nothing at all, which drives the people who want to do a lot and quickly crazy. That said, Federated States in a Unio…

> others who are ostensibly as much a part of the nation as you are are going to live differently

I don't honestly think that most people care about people "living differently". They care because people affect each other. And the rules in your state affect me living in my state quite a bit.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by sokoloff »

chrisseaton wrote: post #119
Rebelgecko wrote: post #115

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Dunno how it is in NY, but in my city, the fire department spends way more time on paramedic duties than on actually fighting fires (around 40 EMS calls for every fire call). IMO if you're getting a ride to the hospital from someone it matters if they have COVID. And even though the vaccines don't guarantee that you won't get infected, the government does have an interest in preventing severe infections. COVID was th…

> the fire department spends way more time on paramedic duties than on actually fighting fires Why does the fire department do medical stuff in the US? Why isn’t it medical people providing paramedics? Seems like something that should be left to professionals?

What makes you think the fire department's medical staff aren't professionals? My city FD has 148 EMTs and 88 paramedics and are assigned to every station and unit in the city.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by _nhynes »

programmarchy wrote: post #127
robocat wrote: post #96

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Confusing: you haven't written a sibling comment? What are you talking about? Did you use a second account?

Are you your own sibling?

> sibling (n.) (computing theory) A node in a data structure that shares its parent with another node.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/sibling

> share (v.) To have or use in common

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/share

> another (det.) Not the same; different

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/another

Being one’s own sibling is incompatible with the accepted definitions, so no.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by encryptluks2 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #137
encryptluks2 wrote: post #66

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A lot of people no longer believe in personal freedom. They would rather fire employees before banning tobacco and alcohol, yet tobacco and alcohol is far more dangerous and leads to more deaths than COVID-19.

I don’t take lightly how many people used covid to further their ideological… or what just so happened to align with their ideological goals and beliefs. Some of them… well, what an amazing coincidence really!

I for one thought the party that has been adopted by people that have been most lied to by the government and treated unfairly and who faced discrimination and prejudice would be least trusting, but instead they were told to trust it more and they just gobbled it up and fell in line.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

colinmhayes wrote: post #113
bananapear wrote: post #28

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Why would it make sense to exempt those people but not, say, firefighters?

Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect on tourism. Having competing priorities is common enough, I don't see what doesn't make sense here. The city wants everyone to be vaccinated but it also wants broadway and basketball to be happening more, so they came up with this policy.

Aren't NYC's financials a basket case though? Surely its politicians don't care much about bringing revenue to the city, rather bringing profit to their friends and families and lobbyists. That is what makes more sense here.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

sky_rw wrote: post #139
spaetzleesser wrote: post #132

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Why do firefighters have no effect on tourism? Without them you can not run a city. Same for many other jobs like garbage collection.

Well clearly there is an elite class to whom body autonomy is granted, and an underclass who must follow arbitrary and capricious rules. OP appreciates that celebrities and entertainers are our betters and should not be held to the same standard.

An attitude which I've found to be curiously pervasive amongst self-proclaimed egalitarians and socialists.

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Post by andrewem »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #115
jesuscript wrote: post #108

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Because it doesn’t matter who has Covid in a fire.

Dunno how it is in NY, but in my city, the fire department spends way more time on paramedic duties than on actually fighting fires (around 40 EMS calls for every fire call). IMO if you're getting a ride to the hospital from someone it matters if they have COVID. And even though the vaccines don't guarantee that you won't get infected, the government does have an interest in preventing severe infections. COVID was th…

I found https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics... which says “there were 70 non-COVID-19 on-duty firefighter deaths and 78 firefighter deaths resulted from COVID-19 in 2021”.

Also “In 2021, 1,353,500 fires resulted in 3,800 civilian deaths and 14,700 injuries”. By comparison, Wikipedia says there were 42,915 deaths due to motor vehicles in 2021, more than 10x. So it makes sense that even if fire department only dealt with road crashes they would spend more time on that than on fires.

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #144
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #137

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I don’t take lightly how many people used covid to further their ideological… or what just so happened to align with their ideological goals and beliefs. Some of them… well, what an amazing coincidence really!

I for one thought the party that has been adopted by people that have been most lied to by the government and treated unfairly and who faced discrimination and prejudice would be least trusting, but instead they were told to trust it more and they just gobbled it up and fell in line.

Likewise, I think about Occupy Wallstreet and think how clever was Wallstreet to now have those same people jumping up and down for them with Big Pharma, the six media companies, and defending everything Nancy Pelosi does.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Aunche wrote: post #117
RC_ITR wrote: post #30

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>where's the penalty for committing those actions in the first place You've hit the core problem of society/government that countless generations have tried to obfuscate via an academic body that implies that social interactions can be studied/understood like natural sciences. At the core, all social structure is built on the threat of violence - Commit non-violent white collar crime? Show up to court, because if you…

>Reject Capitalism? Starve to death on the streets. What's "rejecting capitalism?" You can't blow up the NYSE, but most everything else is fair game. Your employer isn't going to care if you reject capitalism so long as you get your work done. If you don't want to work under a capitalist, you can join join or start your own cooperative. If you can't do that, you can be an independent contractor. If you don't have the…

I am sorry, if you 'reject capitaliam' but have to check if 'your employer' cares, and pay 'your landlord' and go to the same grocery store, what exactly have you rejected?

Re: NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay

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Post by chitowneats »

colinmhayes wrote: post #113
bananapear wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it make sense to exempt those people but not, say, firefighters?

Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect on tourism. Having competing priorities is common enough, I don't see what doesn't make sense here. The city wants everyone to be vaccinated but it also wants broadway and basketball to be happening more, so they came up with this policy.

This is the reason they did it. It's also the reason that most firefighters and others like them do not vote for politicians like Eric Adams. Despite the fact that he's a former police officer.
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