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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by sys_64738 »

pwinnski wrote: post #100
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used OpenCore Legacy Patcher, then oh well, something has gone wrong. If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used the official update channel, then Apple has screwed over older machines on purpose and you can join a class-action lawsuit claiming that. The security footprint of machines running Ventura using OpenCore Legacy Patcher is going to be much…

What are you actually trying to say?

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by alwillis »

FireBeyond wrote: post #135
alwillis wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago for devices going back to 2013’s iPhone 5s [1]. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428

Great. What portion of apps would you say still run on iOS 12? Because most of the top 10... don't.

Sure they do; just not the most current versions.

The App Store only sends versions you can actually run.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by alwillis »

hbn wrote: post #140
alwillis wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. Actually there isn’t an x86 version of the current macOS; it’s a single operating system that runs on multiple processor architectures. During the PowerPC to Intel transition back in the day, I could boot a PowerPC or Intel Mac from the same hard drive. The same is true today with Intel and ARM-based Macs. I have a 2017 Intel iMac running macOS Ventura but there’s plenty o…

> Apple is still selling the Mac Pro [1], which is Intel based. I wouldn't take that as any kind of promise it's gonna be maintained by them for an acceptable amount of time. Up until last month when they announced the new Apple Watch SE, their entry-level watch was the Series 3 which you could still purchase even though it didn't get updated to watchOS 9. Sometimes they just continue to offer a product because some…

Yeah, still selling the Apple Watch Series 3 wasn’t a good look for Apple, no doubt.

But it’s one thing to sell a $249 watch that won’t get the latest operating system update versus a $6000 Mac Pro. Those customers would be super unhappy if the next operating system doesn’t run on it.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by ridiculous_fish »

Scharkenberg wrote: post #2

I tried Stage Manager and turned it off within 10 minutes. It does seem somewhat better than the iPad implementation, but that bar is so low that this feature at the current state deserves no praise whatsoever. The new System Settings app is kind of buggy, which makes me think that 13.1 is coming sooner (by the end of the year?) rather than later. Other than that, there isn't much I can personally say about Ventura.…

FWIW I tried Stage Manager in Ventura and was surprised by how much I like it. I prefer to keep background windows clickable, and Stage Manager gives me that for free, except they don't get "lost" as easily. The animations are slick too (try it with Exposé!). I'll likely keep it enabled.

Settings has some issues but isn't as bad as I was led to believe from the pre-release hand-wringing.

The only compatibility issue I've encountered is that `man --path` no longer works. Weird.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by synicalx »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Every generation of hardware they support, is another generation they have to test and QA their new stuff on. And then if they're pushing software updates for it that creates the expectation that the Apple Stores will be supporting these old devices as well.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by clem »

conductr wrote: post #84
dainiusse wrote: post #75

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I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

They did that when they moved to Intel also. They always have a hardware philosophy and push the market towards it. You see this in chips, cables, audio jacks, etc. It's just Apple being Apple.

This is why my next laptop is going to be a Framework running Linux.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

duped wrote: post #69
zdragnar wrote: post #65

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It is also a proprietary connector, which contributes to waste by virtue of not being able to reuse cables from other devices. I can understand that they didn't want to have customers upset that a dodgy third party cable fried their expensive Apple equipment, but the transition to USB-C can't come soon enough IMHO.

I don't have this problem, all my devices have had lightning connectors for years. I don't plan or want to leave the ecosystem and my cables have lasted quite some time. Conversion to USB-C will cause me to throw away all my cables.

yet you threw away your 30-pin iPod cables....

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by knubie »

pwinnski wrote: post #109

I hate System Preferences, have hated System Preferences for years and years. I cannot seem to get used to where things are, no matter how often I use it. The order doesn't make sense to me, the grouping doesn't make sense to me, and the icons aren't visually distinct enough for me. I might be the only one, but it's hard to imagine any overhaul of System Preference not resulting in an improvement. I'm sure it's just…

System Preferences is grouped by software-related settings on the top and hardware-related settings on the bottom. You may notice a slight color difference between the two sections. (I only learned this recently).

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by joshka »

rakoo wrote: post #114
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? Apart from selling more hardware, which is their one and only goal ?

>Apart from selling more hardware, which is their one and only goal ?

This is probably better stated as two goals: lower costs, higher sales (profit = sales - costs). Dropping support increases the costs line in effect as it's a consumer happiness. But it also decreases it by reducing the support cost (multiple logic paths to support / more code / more bugs etc.)

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by jiveturkey »

orr721 wrote: post #105
AndroidKitKat wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank heavens someone else noticed that Preview lost its ability to open PostScript. I occasionally use Preview to render manpages as PDF so I can print them out and using the Ventura beta made me think it was just a bug. It's a shame that it is missing in the final release -- I even filed several Feedback reports with basically no response. I am not sure at all what utility there is in removing features from Preview…

Removing features like this is just plain stupid. Preview was one of the most valuable apps for viewing files preinstalled on every Mac. While I can understand that raw PostScript files are rarely seen nowadays, Encapsulated-PostScript is still used, i.e. for graphs in scientific software and publications. To add an insult to injury, the Monterey era trick still works. Change the file extension from .eps or .ps to .a…

Inconvenient, I'm sure. Stupid, I doubt. Maybe the postscript interpreter they were using just contained too many bugs to be worth maintaining any more.

eg

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1084...

Does the removal of PS also remove support for EPS? That would be very awful.

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