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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

Will this Windows Arm only get three years of updates, just like a Qualcomm phone?

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#142
post #91
post #78

The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.

It's a chicken or the egg dilemma. Non-Apple ARM is too slow, so nobody wants Windows ARM, and nobody wants Windows ARM, so nobody is seriously working on consumer-targeted ARM. It will probably fail because Microsoft is generally bad at managing and marketing their hardware projects and coordinating with manufacturers and retail partners. Also, yeah, the pricing and performance is abysmal. But there is some sense to…

>> Also, frankly, I'm okay with Microsoft failing at projects like this. We don't need another Apple-like presence on the market.

Don't we?

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#143

Sorry Microsoft, you lost me with Windows 11. I'll wait until you release a worthy successor to Windows 10, just like when I skipped Vista.

Is there a list of things that are worse with 11? I had it pushed on one of my less frequently used devices and so far all that has been annoying has been the Explorer context menu which hides "less used" items (some of which I frequently need, of course) behind a "More" entry.

For me personally

- Taskbar cannot be pinned to the side on my widescreen monitors

- Items on taskbar cannot be un-grouped

- Cannot show text on taskbar

- News/weather widget is awful, full of clickbait news and tiny Weather widget, which is vastly inferior to having a live tile that opens to a full screen weather app

- Reduced start menu customization (live tiles / grid are replaced with folders that add an extra click)

Other than that I haven't used it enough to comment much more. I have it on my laptop which is mostly just used for gaming, and I can tolerate the taskbar and start menu regressions. But for me, most of using Windows is... using the taskbar and start menu. To take away most of their functionality seems like complete insanity!

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#144
post #86

Maybe I am missing the point, but why wouldn't you rather buy a NUC instead of this slow box? I get it MS wants to be like Apple, meticulously copying anything that pops up there, but their brand is associated with different "experiences" and their main value lies in backwards compatibility and open hardware ecosystem.

Because nucs are not arm-based.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#146

Are they actually becoming serious about ARM all of a sudden or is this just a fluke? It speaks volumes that Visual Studio wasn't even available as an ARM version until now.

No, they have been for a while. You don’t port a whole proprietary os to another isa overnight.

And iirc windows rt already ran on arm.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#147
post #7

I want to install Linux on one of these and use it as a low power consumption home server.

I don't know why you would buy one, even if it were available, unless power-efficiency was a crucial component for a server. Can you imagine what you could get, on eBay, in a small form factor, for $600? I made off with a i3-8100T (about 3/4s as powerful, 35W TDP), with 16GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD in an ultra-small-form-factor case for less than $150. For $600, it makes absolutely no sense against anything used. Let…

More like 30-50c

https://www.eex.com/en/market-data/power/futures#%7B%22snipp...

Anything power hungry gets really expensive quickly for home use, these days.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#149

So, "everyone" is switching to ARM now?

Take a look at what Apple is doing today to find out what the industry is doing in a year or two.

Windows has been on ARM since 2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
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