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NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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James Webb telescope is great and all, but I have to say I think the older image is more stunning and more aesthetically pleasing. Cleaner, simpler, nicer colors, more mysterious looking.

The image on Wikipedia[0] seems to have even less details than the comparison image[1], and so the effect is even greater. I really like the old image too.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eagle_nebula_pillars.jpg

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/st...

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the hubble can take an infrared picture, that would be a better comparison point, no?

Webb observes "much further" into the IR [1]. 1. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/hu... (this image is from [2]) 2. https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hubble-vs-webb-on-the-s...

>Webb’s deeper infrared vision (0.6 microns to 28.5 microns)

That's true for the entire observatory, but this particular image was captured with NIRCAM, the near-infrared instrument, which goes out to 5 microns. Deep infrared is done with MIRI, a lower resolution instrument. (As required by the Abbe diffraction law)

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring magnification and only considering visible light, Hubble imagery is a colorized version of what you could see if you could stare at an object for hours at a time while accumulating every photon during that time at a 0Hz refresh rate into a single image rather than just seeing new faint photons at a constant refresh rate.

Is it possible to visualize how a human eye would see Pillars of Creation in real time? This always confused me with Hubble’s colorized photos.

Here's a stacked series of exposures adding up to 36 minutes of the Eagle nebula (of which Pillars of Creation is a zoomed in segment) https://noctilove.co.uk/portfolio/m16-eagle-nebula/

About what you'd see from a 16 inch telescope in a superb dark sky location. A red smudge with hints of finer detail.

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring magnification and only considering visible light, Hubble imagery is a colorized version of what you could see if you could stare at an object for hours at a time while accumulating every photon during that time at a 0Hz refresh rate into a single image rather than just seeing new faint photons at a constant refresh rate.

Is it possible to visualize how a human eye would see Pillars of Creation in real time? This always confused me with Hubble’s colorized photos.

Yes, just open you favorite paint program, create a new image, select black color, select the fill tool, and click into the image.

We don't spend oodles of money to build sensitive instruments to observe things you could see with the unaided eye.

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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I understand Nebulae like the Eagle Nebula are fairly dynamic regions of space, so I find it interesting that we have photographs of the same region over a 27 years time span and at a glance, the structure of the Pillars of Creation appears virtually identical. I understand that 27 years is minuscule on the cosmic timescale, but what order of timescale would be necessary for the evolution of Pillars of Creation to be…

The Crab nebula (from a supernova in the year 1054) is visibly changing over the decades: https://vimeo.com/253674871 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyejd1N8d-U

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Is it possible to visualize how a human eye would see Pillars of Creation in real time? This always confused me with Hubble’s colorized photos.

Scientists are unconcerned with that question. Your eye is nothing like the Hubble. Your eye isn't that useful for doing science. Hubble images are.

The question wasn’t about scientists concerns.

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Can someone explain to me why the stars have varying hue to them; whitish, bluish, orang-ish. Is this due to the camera itself or the distance the light has to travel ?

There's actually quite a lot of natural variation in star temperature, and therefore color: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_sequence Normally you can't see it because the color-sensing cones in your eyes need more light. Low light vision is monochrome.

All the stars visible in this photo are inside our galaxy, so there's no distance (metric expansion) redshift. The Eagle nebula lies near the galactic ecliptic plane, so background dust obscures extragalactic galaxies. When JWST points away from the milky way, though, its deep sky images can see light from so far away that the expansion of the universe shifts it deep into the infrared.

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2022/nasa-s-webb-...

The stars in this photo have six points. Anything without the diffraction pattern is a galaxy. Each of those smudges of light have maybe 100 billion stars each, and are billions of light years away.

The universe is big.

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring magnification and only considering visible light, Hubble imagery is a colorized version of what you could see if you could stare at an object for hours at a time while accumulating every photon during that time at a 0Hz refresh rate into a single image rather than just seeing new faint photons at a constant refresh rate.

Is it possible to visualize how a human eye would see Pillars of Creation in real time? This always confused me with Hubble’s colorized photos.

Take the colorized image to B&W, and that would be closer to what the human eye could see.

If you've ever been to a dark sky location so that you could see the Milky Way, then that's about what you'd see. Our eyes just are not sensitive enough to pick out colors. Even in a telescope, viewing objects like Orion's Nebula, which is incredibly bright, it is just B&W in the eye piece. Viewing Andromeda galaxy is also just B&W.

Re: NASA’s Webb takes star-filled portrait of Pillars of Creation

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It seems like the pillar is lit from an angle? Is this an artifact of some other phenomena (eg higher density being at the same side of the pillars) or is there a nearby star shining on it?

The most recent image is near-infrared light (per the captions), so the parts of the image that look brightest are where the most near-infrared light is. Also, it's a star nursery, so areas brightest are (I believe) where the new stars are forming. If they're the biggest source of near-infrared light in the area, that would explain the lighting angles.
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