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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Decentralization has never worked in human history beyond hunter gatherers. It’s continually amazing to me that people listen to people like Musk and Dorsey as if they have a clue they know what they’re talking about. You can tell they have full confidence that they do, trapped in their bubble of fame.

HTTP is decentralized. That’s actually worked out really well I think, no sarcasm intended.

It may be decentralized as a protocol, but the thing it’s part of and supports, the Internet, is not decentralized in effect.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #57

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Bloomberg are idiots talking out of their asses. They have never worked in tech companies

You are both right and wrong. Bloomberg IS a tech company. But the journalists obviously don't mingle with that part.

> Bloomberg IS a tech company.

This is like saying Microsoft is a charity - worst joke I heard in Sept 2022.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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He thought you could return a rocket from space and have it land vertically

And then, he returned a rocket from space and had it land vertically. Heck he's doing it consistently, and even synchronized on occasion. Musk is a flawed dude, but the physics behind space-x aren't his weak point.

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #122

Decentralization has never worked in human history beyond hunter gatherers. It’s continually amazing to me that people listen to people like Musk and Dorsey as if they have a clue they know what they’re talking about. You can tell they have full confidence that they do, trapped in their bubble of fame.

Capitalism is inherently decentralized. Even just currency lets you separate production and consumption in time and space, which decentralized trade. Writing, even with manual copies but certainly with the printing press, decentralized learning to great effect.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #93

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Except that you can limit to 1 upvote per account, and use (centralized) moderation to handle sybil attacks by removing upvotes with discretion.

If you could do that effectively then what is the point of spending money to upvote? Also look into the current state of play to earn games [1] and some NFT auction methods where people are selling their participation quite openly [2] It’s no longer a Sybil attack if it is real people who value their moral “vote” less than the market rate of that vote. It’s just an open market encouraging wealthy participants to on-b…

The idea would be a fixed price for an upvote. Not to create a market, but for two other advantages. It creates a cost for bots and hence a cost for massive spam campaigns. And it creates compensation to the system for processing and displaying the content.

As for people selling their vote, this occurs even without costs in the form of vote brigading, and seems pretty controllable on e.g. reddit.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Unlike everyone else here apparently, I find his attitude pretty positive. You all act as if you would have know what twitter would become from the beginning and you would have done better, I've been in infinitesimally smaller projects with pressures that have nothing to do with building Twitter and still I thought like I was losing control of the direction the product was going.

It’s pretty hard for even CEOs to control direction sometimes especially in big companies. A company is like a cthonic beast with many writhing tentacles that is in fact composed of thousands of cats. A black mass of cats, writhing, seeking, crawling toward anything that will increase its share price or get a cat promoted…

A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals.

Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that. For the same reason I won't let the mechanic I hired to maintain my car destroy it instead just because he thinks my car is bad for the environment or something. He may be right, but it is not what I paid him for. And if I discover he actually destroyed my car, not only he won't get paid, but there are good chances I will sue him.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

He is talking about Bluesky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesky_(protocol)

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #129

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And so is Musk.

Since when?

Watch this walk around Starbase with Elon and Tim Dodd, and you'll get a pretty good sense that he has an engineering brain that really understands the complexities of design, build and execute more than anything. https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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post #131

Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk.
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