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Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The real question is whether it's Cyrillic or Latin.

Imagine if it was arabic (to keep the LNG prices up, which everyone in Europe is now buying from the middle east like crazy). That would surely stir some things up.

The last weird assumption like that the west did about middle east was the Iraqi WMD. Look how accurate and disastrous this turns out to be. But yes let's think outside the box.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The only one pushing for conflict here is Russia, who started an illegal war of aggression and invaded a neighbouring country.

Just because they are *also* pushing for conflict doesn't mean they are the *only* ones.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Those things do not take long to fix. In fact that's exactly what Putin needs right now: an excuse to stop the gas flow for a few weeks, until the pipeline is repaired. Then of course there will be some time until they test it, and then some bureaucrat in Moscow needs to sign off the certification and allow resuming pumping - which allows Putin to drag this out for as long as he needs.

The flow was already stopped before this. So your analysis does not line up with reality.

Yes, but they stopped it based on their previous excuse. I think first it was some spare part that was stuck in Canada due to sanctions, then they had to do "routine maintenance" of some pump station, then the same for another pump station, and now we have a leak. As you can see they never stop the flow "just because".

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.

70% of Germans favor continuing support for Ukraine even if that causes high energy prices ( https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-... ). This value is practically unchanged for months.

For now maybe (I wouldn't believe those polls sponsored by state media for a second btw.). Even the strongest anti-Putin propaganda campaign will go up in flames as soon as people have sit in the cold and lose their jobs at the same time. Then it's a very convenient situation for politicians that the pipelines can't easily be switched on again because they got "somehow damaged". Therefore it was most probably an inside job.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Indeed. It's most probably an inside job.

You are saying someone crawled inside the pipelines and punctured them from within?

It's those methane breathers terrorists again! Fucking gasbags...

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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What's more interesting about that article is the threat of social shaming at the end: > Like it or not, and intentionally or not, the language a person uses reflects their political positions, including their position on Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty. As a citizen of the United States, this whole issue seems ridiculous. It's remarkable though how a media and PR campaign, combined with social pressure, can change…

What's even more interesting still is that you had the opportunity to (attempt to) disprove any of it while replying, but did not do so.

The article mentions the hole in their argument and then glosses over it:

> There are exceptions, but these are the general principles that bind speakers of Russian and English.

These exceptions include collections of states (eg. the UAE, the US) and country names derived from regions (the Netherlands, the Congo, the Ukraine).

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter. Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that…

> Isn't that obvious? No. These aren’t disabling attacks. It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does. [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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The only one pushing for conflict here is Russia, who started an illegal war of aggression and invaded a neighbouring country.

Just because they are *also* pushing for conflict doesn't mean they are the *only* ones.

So what's the alternative, don't support Ukraine and let Russia finish their invasion? Arming the defender against an illegal aggression is not aggression itself.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Anyone that wants to keep Germany off Russian gas no matter the developments.

But who is that? Ukraine should be fine with having Germany buy Russian gas since Germany keeps sending arms and push others to send arms. I don't see why the US would care either now that Germany is finally moving away from Russian gas. And Russia can just close the pipeline in a less destructive way.

> I don't see why the US would care either

How naive...

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/as-imports-of-u...

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