Didn't they remove the dislike button?
Amusingly, TikTok just implemented a dislike button very recently.
YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#142This reminds me of how games ( cough LeagueOfLegends cough ) match me up with a player that I literally just reported for harassment, griefing etc. in the previous match. Like, there weren't any other possible players to match me with out of the many thousands? I don't mind waiting a few more seconds to match up with someone else! I'm getting a lot of responses as if I expect the player to be totally blocked from mat…
Overwatch had a feature where you could avoid players, but a top sniper was avoided by enough top players that he could never find a match. The matchmaking system could never find him a match because almost all potential matches had at least one player on each team that had him avoided. The devs eventually reworked that feature so that he could play the game. Sometimes seemingly innocuous features have weird edge cas…
SPlatoon 2 had the same issue where people would block the best players to get more favorable matchings. It was reported to still mostly works that way for lower ranks, but they completely removed the effect for the highest tier (X rank).
Inter-user features are always delicate to balance when it comes to competitive games.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#143The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
> Some might say that you can still use search, but that has been crippled to include unrelated recommendations after one page of results. Not only that, I want YouTube to help me discover new content. When the recommendation system works and it shows me new kinds of interesting stuff, it's superb. TikTok is eating YouTube's lunch in this regard. this and it's going too far, since Youtube is now polluting people's se…
Sadly, your eigenvector is a bit prurient.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#144The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…
I do exactly this. Google and Duckduckgo/Bing all provide better Youtube results than Youtube. I kind of hate the UX of platform now. But there's still so much great content on there from it's better days.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#145The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
I've done this aggressively in the past. The effect is so poor it's absolutely not worth the effort. I honestly couldn't imagine writing a system worse than their current recommendations. Straight up random would be a better system in some situations.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#146Honestly, I feel like YouTube recommendation is the _only_ good thing YouTube has lol. I often see a ton of complaints about the recommendations but I've honestly never had an issue. I know that yes, you click on one video and now all the sudden you get 100s of that type... but it sorta works for me since it seems like that "effect" wears off just as fast as it starts. For example, I have a friend that's into cars. I…
Not sure what we are doing differently but for me it's pretty much random and useless. It seems to be a mix of mostly old videos from channels I follow anyway and random junk I am not interested in. I am sure I could find something new and interesting in there if I looked long enough but the signal/noise ratio is very low. Old account with thousands of views and likes/dislikes.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#147I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…
I agree that removing the dislike count was dumb, but why would it have anything to do with quality? It's "dislike" as in "not like", not "low quality". I hit that button if I don't like the video for any reason, most frequently because it's boring, subject doesn't interest me, I don't like the person or they say something I don't like. I don't hit it if the video is merely low quality.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#148I'd be curious to know how many additional "wanted" recommendations the system is able to serve by not treating a dislike as a strong negative signal. It seems like there's a tradeoff here, where YouTube figures that if it interpreted a dislike with a heavy hand, it would also knock a bunch of videos you do want (or at least they think you want).
Presumably from YouTube's perspective, it's more important that your recommendations pane contain at least one video that you want to watch than it is that it contains zero videos you don't want to see. The user's desires are a probably a little more balanced - seeing videos on topics you dislike is annoying even if you don't watch them, and even if there is a single good video mixed in.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#149Honestly, I feel like YouTube recommendation is the _only_ good thing YouTube has lol. I often see a ton of complaints about the recommendations but I've honestly never had an issue. I know that yes, you click on one video and now all the sudden you get 100s of that type... but it sorta works for me since it seems like that "effect" wears off just as fast as it starts. For example, I have a friend that's into cars. I…
Not sure what we are doing differently but for me it's pretty much random and useless. It seems to be a mix of mostly old videos from channels I follow anyway and random junk I am not interested in. I am sure I could find something new and interesting in there if I looked long enough but the signal/noise ratio is very low. Old account with thousands of views and likes/dislikes.
Do you prune your history of garbage? Every time I clear out all the click-bait, poor quality, and accidental picks out of my recent Watched History, I find the quality of the recommendations go up. Are you subscribed to some high-quality channels?
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#150The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…
I've had videos not show up in the YouTube search despite the query matching the video title verbatim.