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America’s Open Wound

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Post by haskellandchill »

colpabar wrote: post #112
blub wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the amount of hate for Snowden and Assange is dismaying. These men sacrificed their lives to expose the crimes of one of - if not the most -powerful organizations on Earth. And people nitpick that they’re not criticizing the other most powerful entities too. Basically they’re criticizing them for not committing suicide in the name of a people which were impotent of unwilling to do anything with the revelations p…

I love HN, but at the end of the day, it's a reddit-clone for a silicon valley VC fund. No one is here to start a revolution, and in fact, a lot of users probably make a living doing things that snowden sympathizers (I don't mean that as a slight, I am one) would claim are ruining the world.

I'm here to start a revolution, and I don't think Assange or Snowden are any use for it. They did a good thing once and then have acted very unfavorably. The revolution does not need cheerleaders, celebrities, or charlatans.

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Post by zmgsabst »

roflyear wrote: post #100
zmgsabst wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No — the US feeds of the speech all had the tight red framing, while international ones did not. That photo is the same framing as his speech broadcast on US networks. Such a market split indicates the framing was intentionally authoritarian and meant to provoke/intimidate political rivals.

No it's not, stop being a joker. Here is what US sources had: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JemWkV2Vcic&t=967s That is massively different than the pic in the article.

I’m not sure your point?

The speech following that brief crowd segment is the red with marines behind him — at a point where the light was on, rather than the one featured in the photo.

I think there’s a reason you deep linked rather than show the beginning: the start is exactly the dark red set shown in the photo.

I’d encourage people to watch from the beginning, where they dim the lights to get that effect:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JemWkV2Vcic

Re: America’s Open Wound

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Post by roflyear »

jnovek wrote: post #87

Has everyone on Hacker News lost their minds? I come here to read and sometimes participate in rational discussions. These comments are some of the lowest effort, least rigorous, paranoid bullshit I’ve ever seen on this site. We’re a step above Facebook comments on NPR articles, here. Partisanship, viciousness and lazy conspiracy theories are not a good look for this site.

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Re: America’s Open Wound

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Post by roflyear »

blub wrote: post #94
jnovek wrote: post #87

Has everyone on Hacker News lost their minds? I come here to read and sometimes participate in rational discussions. These comments are some of the lowest effort, least rigorous, paranoid bullshit I’ve ever seen on this site. We’re a step above Facebook comments on NPR articles, here. Partisanship, viciousness and lazy conspiracy theories are not a good look for this site.

Yes, the amount of hate for Snowden and Assange is dismaying. These men sacrificed their lives to expose the crimes of one of - if not the most -powerful organizations on Earth. And people nitpick that they’re not criticizing the other most powerful entities too. Basically they’re criticizing them for not committing suicide in the name of a people which were impotent of unwilling to do anything with the revelations p…

Hate, or just pointing out that these people, while I think they did the right thing (and they probably did too), certainly did not act in the best interests of the US? That is a motivation I'm sure they carry after being chased around the world for a decade or two.

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Post by CrazyPyroLinux »

humanistbot wrote: post #114

> Flanked by the uniformed icons of his military and standing atop a Leni Riefenstahl stage, the leader clenched his fists to illustrate seizing the future from the forces of “fear, division, and darkness.” I stopped reading once Godwin's Law applied. This was the first paragraph.

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Re: America’s Open Wound

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Post by mc32 »

belltaco wrote: post #104
blub wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the amount of hate for Snowden and Assange is dismaying. These men sacrificed their lives to expose the crimes of one of - if not the most -powerful organizations on Earth. And people nitpick that they’re not criticizing the other most powerful entities too. Basically they’re criticizing them for not committing suicide in the name of a people which were impotent of unwilling to do anything with the revelations p…

>I’d be surprised to hear that these people even contradict their boss Has Snowden talked about Putin's war on Ukraine yet?

Has social justice movement W also talked about the bad things in countries X, Y and Z that are worse than things T, U & V in the US?

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Post by renewiltord »

blub wrote: post #122
humanistbot wrote: post #115

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Because he denied it was going to happen and expressed skepticism at Western intel reports about the invasion. Then he was silent after the invasion.

Yes, he was wrong, can happen. It’s also unrelated to his claims about US agencies and US democracy. Why must he be a saint? He did more than most will do their entire lives already.

Personally, the only people I believe are those who are always right. For instance, Kernighan and Ritchie talk about the 'register' keyword in C. All very well, but I heard that one day Brian Kernighan said he'd brew a pot of coffee and just forgot. I'm not sure I can trust him so I never use that keyword. Too risky.

Maybe if they would annotate who did which section. I bet Ritchie would never have done this.

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Post by roflyear »

sbf501 wrote: post #51
dvt wrote: post #22

A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…

This is a clear case of the "ad hominem" fallacy. You are saying his argument is wrong because of who he is. Just because he is doing something odd (holed up in Russia) doesn't mean he is wrong.

I think pointing to someone's motivations is not ad hominem.
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