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Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by orijing »

zem wrote: post #98
orijing wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were truly their goal, their ads would never be the useful, because if they were the best results, they would be duplicates of the organic search results (hence useless). Or, if they weren't the best results, then the best results are in the organic search. Clearly that's not the case, as advertising makes 99% of their revenues.

the point of ads is not to be maximally useful, it's to maximise some function of (usefulness to you, profitability to the advertiser).

Of course that's the point. Again, I was responding to the parent ("Google should simply deliver the best results, no matter what algorithm they use to do so"), which I understood to be what results Google should choose to show. Perhaps I misunderstood his meaning for "best", but "best" in this context to me means the result that's most likely to satisfy the user.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that ads are subject to a whole different objective function. I'm saying that if the best results were already in the organic, then the ads would either be redundant (for the user) or otherwise less useful than the organic (by definition, really).

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by [deleted] »

benatkin wrote: post #112
Matt_Cutts wrote: post #9

I think I know what the problem is; we're detecting HN as a dead page. It's unclear whether this happened on the HN side or on Google's side, but I'm pinging the right people to ask whether we can get this fixed pretty quickly. Added: Looks like HN has been blocking Googlebot, so our automated systems started to think that HN was dead. I dropped an email to PG to ask what he'd like us to do.

I never thought that Google Search would be so laughable.

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Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by cyanbane »

RBerenguel wrote: post #16
Matt_Cutts wrote: post #9

I think I know what the problem is; we're detecting HN as a dead page. It's unclear whether this happened on the HN side or on Google's side, but I'm pinging the right people to ask whether we can get this fixed pretty quickly. Added: Looks like HN has been blocking Googlebot, so our automated systems started to think that HN was dead. I dropped an email to PG to ask what he'd like us to do.

Advantages of having a deep Google guy as a user :)

The question is, 'Was Matt Cutts ever THE Googleguy?'

   ( http://www.webmasterworld.com/profilev4.cgi?action=view&member=GoogleGuy )
I always wondered who it really was years back.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by code_duck »

Matt_Cutts wrote: post #131
AznHisoka wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he's not a super hero.. and no he doesn't help everyone that asks for it. I've brought up many issues over the years to him via Twitter, blog comments, emails, etc, and none of them.. count them.. ZERO have been addressed by him. He just gives preferential treatment to those sites that make a lot of noise, and might give Google or Google's quality team a lot of negative press. That's all he does. I've even brough…

Hi AznHisoka. A lot of people send me spam reports, and I'm happy to pass them on. But normally we investigate the spam reports without sending back specific feedback of what action we took in response. P.S. Just curious--is this the same AznHisoka from BlackHat World, the "Blackhat SEO forum"? http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/137345-azn...

If it is, apparently the person in question doesn't enjoy the Blackhat World forum very much, having made one post total.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by Matt_Cutts »

cyanbane wrote: post #143
RBerenguel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advantages of having a deep Google guy as a user :)

The question is, 'Was Matt Cutts ever THE Googleguy?' ( http://www.webmasterworld.com/profilev4.cgi?action=view&member=GoogleGuy ) I always wondered who it really was years back.

Yes, I'm GoogleGuy. Steven Levy documented that in his recent "In The Plex" book, so there's no harm in verifying it now.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by 18pfsmt »

felipe wrote: post #58
unreal37 wrote: post #33

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It's not disturbing at all. I am glad Google is a company made up of humans and not uncaring robots. Human nature is that people want to help others when they are in a position to do so. I would do the same if HN needed my help. Of course, there are people who want to take advantage of people like Matt to give themselves an economic advantage, and I have no sympathy for those people if they can't get someone in Googl…

> I am glad Google is a company made up of humans and not uncaring robots That's exactly the problem. Google is notorious for providing horrible customer support, so why some people get personalized help, while the rest of us are stuck with the uncaring robots ?

To be fair, I've seen Cutts jump in on "no-name" threads where there is an issue with Googlebot or some search-related thing. It does not appear to be favoritism, beyond choice of forums in which to participate.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Matt_Cutts wrote: post #145
cyanbane wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, 'Was Matt Cutts ever THE Googleguy?' ( http://www.webmasterworld.com/profilev4.cgi?action=view&member=GoogleGuy ) I always wondered who it really was years back.

Yes, I'm GoogleGuy. Steven Levy documented that in his recent "In The Plex" book, so there's no harm in verifying it now.

Matt, when you have a free minute, can you take a look at this?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3272528

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Post by slyall »

pg wrote: post #126
wheels wrote: post #113

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Have you considered putting a caching reverse proxy in front of the arc app to keep the backend from having to render all of the old pages? It seems like the only dynamic element of old articles is the "$x days ago" bit and that'd be pretty easy to turn into something static by instead just putting in timestamps in the actual HTML and using Javascript to transform them into how many hours / days ago they were. Then t…

I believe Rtm has already set one up.

We use varnish for caching and check the useragent for requests.

If the cache has a copy of an article that is a few hours old it will just give that version to Googlebot while if it thinks a human is requesting the page then it will go to the backend and fetch the latest version.

https://www.varnish-cache.org/lists/pipermail/varnish-misc/2...

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