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Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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As a clutch enthusiast, I would welcome this innovation if it actually improved EV motor performance. If its only purpose is to simulate the ICE experience, I'm not interested.

The only thing the clutch is good for is to get the tires loose with a clutch kick or to detach the engine drag from the wheels if one so desired.

Wouldn’t a motor be able to chirp the tires all by itself?

Dunno how much drag the motor would create if allowed to spin freely…

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Hyundai, Kia, and Audi EVs have paddle shifters which controls the level of regeneration braking and feels very much like downshifting. One paddle (+) steps up the regen to the point where the “drag” gets progressively stronger. The other paddle (-) steps down regen to 0 where the car can coast and there is no regen drag whatsoever. Note this is not the same as Neutral. The car is always in Drive. The function only a…

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It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi…

It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.

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No worse than Subaru's ICE CVT with fake shift points?

I don't even notice the stepped shifting when I drive my Soobie. In fact I wondered why it worked that way, and assumed it had something to do with minimizing wear and tear on the shift mechanism.

It's the closest thing to "get in and drive" of any car I've had. I especially love the adaptive cruise control.

Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi…

It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.

It's because I want to choose. Even your fancy Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (in auto mode) doesn't know or care what I want to do.

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> Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road? Getting rid of 50% of your car detecting senses doesn't seem like a good idea

Is this still a problem now that we have auto braking?

Auto braking only mitigates crash impact in some scenarios, and prevents impacts in even fewer scenarios.

Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Hyundai, Kia, and Audi EVs have paddle shifters which controls the level of regeneration braking and feels very much like downshifting. One paddle (+) steps up the regen to the point where the “drag” gets progressively stronger. The other paddle (-) steps down regen to 0 where the car can coast and there is no regen drag whatsoever. Note this is not the same as Neutral. The car is always in Drive. The function only a…

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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

#149

It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defects, lots of "analog" audio effects and now cars.

On a sidenote, here's a controversial opinion - electrically-powered analog clocks are silly and we should discontinue making them.

Graphs and charts are silly. You have CSV.

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post #23

I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?

I wish EVs were actually silent. In reality they are just as loud as a normal ICE vehicle above 20mph/30kph. The reason for this are the tires which have gotten so wide over the past decades that they are now the sole noise you hear from a normal car.

Tires have gotten quieter over recent history, not louder, as a result of better tread design. You are noticing tire noise now because drivetrains have become quieter even more so.

BEVs are not running tires that are any different sizes than similar positioned gas cars. The model 3 is running similar tire sizes to the German sports sedans of similar positioning. The leaf is running similar sizes to other hatchbacks. Etc.

In general, cars are running larger tires in every dimension, but cars are also larger in every dimension.

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