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Post by sandworm101 »

osigurdson wrote: post #134
sandworm101 wrote: post #84

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More inconvenient facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_OLgC4nV0 88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. Some kind companies setup fuel trucks by the roadside to top up tanks. Gas delivery can be scaled up and even made portable in an emergency. Had those 50,000 vehicles all been EVs, tens of thousands of people would…

An EV makes a great second car in Canada but the long distances and cold weather are problematic for current EV technology. Hopefully that improves relatively soon.

LoL. Don't worry. Global warming will deal with the low temperatures.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by eyelidlessness »

aeharding wrote: post #111
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Rain isn't really a problem with the appropriate clothing. (Speaking as someone that rides year round for transportation in Wisconsin.) The only problem I've had is downpours can soak your shoes but I just have an extra pair of shoes at work and at home.

Rain is definitely a problem for a vehicle which depends on lateral tilt to turn and which depends on inertia to stay upright. Speaking as someone who has ridden many years round in Seattle, where the roads lean along with the hills even where the hills aren’t that steep. Those turns are a mistake or an unexpected cross vehicle away from a crash on our driest days, but the rain really amplifies that danger.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #123
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40

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> Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house. Not sure if you're just talking about something specific to your house, or making a broader point. Once EVs are widespread, they can add a huge amount of storage capacity to the grid. Not hard to imagine utility and government incentives that encourage c…

Talking specifically about my house. I live off grid and wouldn't be able to produce enough power in the winter to charge a car and my house.

This entire thread is a collection of niche cases. I just bought a gas guzzler because in my part of Wyoming the dealership model is broken for EVs I’d want, and Tesla’s are optically problematic for me to own. But if the unaddressed market are rural Americans and those off grid, market forces making gas distribution expensive will nudge it into equilibrium.

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Post by crooked-v »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together.

You can already get exactly that kind of vehicle for relatively cheap, though not as cheap as you're proposing... it's called an electric golf cart or, for the upscale versions, an "electrified low-speed vehicle". They start at about $5,000 from US manufacturers, but you can cut that down to around $3,500-$4,000 (including shipping) if you're willing to order off Aliexpress.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

redox99 wrote: post #131
chrisco255 wrote: post #93

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Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

> emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes) That seems pretty irrelevant? It's not like you have only one ambulance.

In remote areas of the US you very well could have only one ambulance.

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Post by hattmall »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

What is an enclosed bicycle?? Maybe you could use a golf cart. You could get pretty close to 30 MPH and 60 Miles travel time for under $2k.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by crooked-v »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #137
snuxoll wrote: post #132

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> Bike infrastructure can be used for walking. Please, no more of this. Bicycles should be on their own dedicated right of way, mixing them with cars is dangerous for cyclists, but mixing bikes with pedestrians is dangerous for pedestrians. Multi-use paths are fine for recreation, but they are not transit infrastructure and should not be treated as such.

As both a cyclist and pedestrian, I definitely prefer bikes off the sidewalk. Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. Even if they get both of those right, they’ve frequently terrified my pup by just being faster and louder and larger than anything on foot she’s ever met. I’ve had to return hom…

> separated bike infrastructure

> drivers trying to navigate it

Well, there's your problem - it's not actually separated.

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Post by endisneigh »

crooked-v wrote: post #144
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. You can already get exactly that kind of vehicle for relatively cheap, though not as cheap as you're proposing... it's called an electric golf cart or, for the upscale versions, an "e…

LSVs have basically all of the disadvantages of cars without any of the advantages considering used beaters are a thing imho.

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Post by AmericanChopper »

RocketOne wrote: post #103
elif wrote: post #72

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Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.

Being harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me.

But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.

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Post by endisneigh »

hattmall wrote: post #146
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

What is an enclosed bicycle?? Maybe you could use a golf cart. You could get pretty close to 30 MPH and 60 Miles travel time for under $2k.

A golf cart has to travel on the same roads as a car, except it's slower and less safe. No advantage really.
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