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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by nailer »

pydry wrote: post #101
hackerlight wrote: post #93

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> This isnt true at all. I just gave numerous examples that I've seen personally. Centrists who don't care one way or the other about Zionism certainly aren't the ones beating up Jews on the streets of London when Israel does something bad.

The guy who beat up a Jew in London screamed "fuck Jews" while he did it. Not shy about his views - like most of your other examples no doubt. There is close to no overlap between these people and the people who take pains to explain for the 15th time to a likely racist skeptic that they dont hate jews it's the state of israel they have a problem with. On the other hand, ive yet to hear a single person who purposeful…

I'm not sure how familiar with the UK you are. The left recently chose as a leader a man who claimed he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah. The people who claim 'anti-zionism isn't antisemitism' are his voters.

Edit reply due to rate limit: Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace.

Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but the people that negotiated Good Friday state he didn’t have anything to do with the NI peace process either.

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Post by andsoitis »

shakna wrote: post #44
dustincoates wrote: post #32

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I grew up in an Evangelical church and I attend a Protestant church now (although not American) and the only place I've ever heard people claim that my fellow congregants believe that about Israel is online from people outside the church. I'm sure you'll be able to find _someone_ who believes it, but it is so weird to see people claiming something as a fact about your church that you've never encountered in nearly 40…

Whilst I've definitely got the impression, that _most_ people think of it as a shared heritage, I have now and then had a few people quoting the same prophecy from Zechariah as their reasoning. > And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it - Zechariah 12:…

> for the return of God to occur, the existence of Jerusalem is a pre-requisite.

isn't it amusing how humans think their deity isn't powerful enough so they have to make things possible for him?

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by [deleted] »

autoexec wrote: post #27
hobom wrote: post #20

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Calling Israel an appartheid state, and your specific examples betray a state of mind which applies arbitrary standards to Israel that never get applied to literally ANY other country in the world. Some of your specific examples: "Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestinians." Americans living abroad in France can vote in American elections, but note the French people. Therefore the US…

> Americans living abroad in France can vote in American elections, but note the French people. Therefore the US is an appartheid state. Are French people effected by America's laws and politics the same way Palestinians are effected by Israel's laws and politics? If America controlled the water, power, marriages, fishing rights and freedoms of the French people I would argue that perhaps they should have a vote.

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by andsoitis »

kurupt213 wrote: post #70
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

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Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

Israel deserves to exist as much as any other country

countries are weird things. crafted out of contest, power, emphasis (and cultivation) of differences between groups of people, etc.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by compsciphd »

hackerlight wrote: post #46
botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

> anti-Zionism is conflated with anti-semitism One reason people say that is perceptions of double standards. They see China get an easier time on their treatment of Uyghurs. Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism. They see photos of someone at an anti-Israel rally giving the roman salute. They see people attacking Jews at random on the street whenever Isr…

if one's anti zionism is a rejection of jewish peoplehood / nationhood (i.e. jews aren't a nation) then one is rejecting a shared conception of the vast majority of jews have how they perceive themselves.

The vast majority of anti-zionists reject jewish peoplehood (especially the ones who claim to be jewish, which in general just means of jewish descent, not anything that makes them uniquely jewish vs. non jewish). why? I'd argue because that makes it much easier to say good guy / bad guy. If jews are a distinct people who have indigenous ties to the land, then makes it difficult and complicated.

So while criticism of Israel isn't inherently anti-semitic (criticism can come from love as a simple example), it is very possible that the vast majority of anti-zionists are by definition anti-semites due to said rejection of identity.

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Post by dfadsadsf »

nailer wrote: post #112
botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

Israel has offered the Palestinians statehood multiple times, as well as offering it to Jordan to run. If you think Jewish people don’t deserve to live somewhere where Jewish people have always lived, but think French people are allowed to live in France, then you may hate Jews. You use the term 'apartheid state' as if Israel not supporting Palestianians is a racial decision against Arabs. In what apartheid state can…

I am glad that you support Ireland taking over most of Europe as Celts used to live all over France and beyond.

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Post by robbiep »

boardwaalk wrote: post #90
rayiner wrote: post #68

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> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

The belief that more rational beliefs are possible is not exactly debatable, is it? Certainly, the “woo” stuff you referenced is not the only alternative? That people have to believe in some “religion” and that common “religions” at the current point in history are at peak possible rationality… well, there’s no real reason to believe that, is there?

Show me a person who is completely ‘rational’ across their entire belief system and maybe we’ll have a conversation - I haven’t seen it and I am surrounded by highly educated, highly rational people, most of whom would profess to be atheist or agnostic.

I believe it’s part of human nature. It’s exhausting being totally rational

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Post by aqme28 »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #63

The world is full of these "conflict" spillovers into civilian life in europe right now. Palastinians vs Israelis (or Jews in general), Kurds vs Turks, Shiits vs Sunnits, Wahabi vs all, Thai Royalists vs Students, CCP controlled student chapters vs those with no family ties to the mainland. Also the remnants of old war and warcrimes, being used in these show up time and time again. Todays japanese are dragged for the…

> Palastinians vs Israelis (or Jews in general

Please don't conflate Judaism with Israel. As a Jew against zionism, I have many Palestinian friends and have never experienced any issues. It's a very pernicious and bothersome conflation.

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Post by dfadsadsf »

barry-cotter wrote: post #37
kajecounterhack wrote: post #18

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> If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews. It's a bit more complicated than this. Israel militarily occupies Palestine. And they institute an apartheid system that is unfair to Palestinians, denying basic rights to Palestinians -- they can take your property, they can restrict your travel, they can strangle your eco…

> they're advocating for a one-state solution so that inhabitants of Palestine/Israel can get democratic representation & equal rights. Again, not a crazy take. This is in fact a crazy take. It’s not quite advocating a shared state for Nazis and Jews level of crazy but it’s certainly getting there. Palestinian nationalism is based on being anti-Israel in much the same way anti-colonial or anti-metropolitan nationalis…

Well Protestant and Catholics learned to live together in Germany. Took 30 years but they got there. I do not see why not Palestinians and Jewish can’t do the same.

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Post by throwaway09223 »

johnchristopher wrote: post #108
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies. Ahem. > In the winter of 2003, when George Bush and Tony Blair were frantically gathering support for their planned invasion, Professor Thomas Römer, an Old Testament expert at the university of Lausanne, was rung up by the Protestant Federation of France. [..] President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell Pre…

This guardian article is demonstrable nonsense. Professor Römer is either ignorant, or is intentionally gaslighting Bush.

Gog and Magog are well-known figures mentioned in both the Hebrew Bible and the Quran. Playing dumb because it's not also in the Old Testament is not a good look for someone who's supposedly an expert.

This article is a silly hit piece written to fool people who are totally ignorant of religious history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yajuj-and-Majuj

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