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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline
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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think the vaccine lowers the probability that a person will die from an infection?
That is not a vaccine. No one calls corticosteroids or antibiotics vaccines yet both meet the definition of lowering the probability someone will dies from an infection. So does taking care of yourself, getting exercise, eating a healthy diet, not sitting still all day, and a large swath of other things none of which are called vaccines.
My google medical degree defines a vaccine as:
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."
Steriods and antibodies don't meet this definition. No vaccine has a 100% success rate, so reducing symptoms doesn't make it not a vaccine.
Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline
#143From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very simple-minded view despite that America is hugely overweight and have issues besides covid. Also your logic is wrong. If vaccine is safe and effective, the life expectancy would remain the same (IE: no additional deaths due to covid) You're trying to make a point and not making a very good job of it.
I’m more in agreement with him as opposed to your viewpoint. FWIW I have a degree in formal logic, and his logic is not “wrong”. I’d very much like to hear how it is. :)
It seems you're focusing on the fact that a conditional statement can be logically true independent of whether its hypothesis itself has any merit. (e.g. the proposition "If the sun goes dark tomorrow, then within a few years most people on earth will almost certainly be dead" is sound, even if the sun probably doesn't go dark tomorrow)
But like GP said, the conditional statements themselves presuppose that vaccines are the only variable affecting life expectancy. But that's not true, there are other factors.
Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
The effects are also compounding with each re-infection.
Do any of the epidemiologists/virologists who are saying this offer any thoughts as to why SARS-CoV-2 and the immune response to it are so different from every other novel virus which has emerged in the past? Is there any precedent at all for "a virus which reinfects you over and over with no reduction in lethality/sequelae from the repeat infections"?
> so different from every other novel virus which has emerged in the past
There's only one novel pandemic to study every century or so. I don't think there's any evidence at all that it's "so different". It's just better studied because in 1918 only a handful of scientists even knew that "viruses" existed.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
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To be fair, we documented it happening in real time - https://austingwalters.com/covid-19-vaccine-deaths-being-cod... UK government was counting gene therapy (“vaccine”) deaths as covid19 deaths. Which I mean, kinda? Regarding the fatalities, yes obviously part of them are from the gene therapy. The question was were they primarily from the gene therapy. https://austingwalters.com/covid19-vaccine-risks/ It turns out…
To what degree do you think improper administration played a roll? If the mrna was only delivered into muscle tissue and not the circulatory system, all the spike proteins and their damage would be isolated to the muscle tissue. Autoimmune effects would still be present, but would be with infection as well.
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#147It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.
That would hold true if it could be observed in countries with better vaccine uptake. A super quick google:
- 68% fully vaccinated in USA, dropped life expectancy in 2021
- 86% fully vaccinated in Canada, increased life expectancy in 2021
Obviously there are a lot of other potential variables, but it’s hard to make a judgement purely based on vaccination and implying they are unsafe.
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#148remember during the lockdowns when incidence of cancer diagnoses, heart disease, and other life threatening ailments fell through the floor? I guess those chickens are coming home to roost. The total isolation resulting in depression/drug use, addiction, and overdose may have had a weee bit of an affect too.
Do the numbers add up? That sounds like a prior-fitting hypothesis to me. Cancer, overdose, suicides, etc... are all well-tracked. If they were disproportionately high then surely we'd know.
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#149Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.
Anecdata of n = 1 but two weeks ago I was hospitalized due to a stroke (IA). I'm 38 years old, exercise vigorously for 10-12 hours per week, am a healthy weight for my height, have good blood pressure and cholesterol, and have zero known risk factors other than a COVID infection a bit under a year ago. I'm not ready to blame COVID just yet (we're still searching for an underlying cause) but my doctors and nurses all…
Really sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing. Was it sudden onset or a slower process?
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/a-reinfection-red-flag Preprint of a major study from VA data. It will probably publish in the near future and I haven't heard any major changes or revisions.
This study is one of a number of different ones from the same lab (Al Aly), taking a dataset of older, sicker people (US veterans who seek hospital care at the VA), and looking at groups who had two hospital confirmed infections, vs. those with one hospital confirmed infection, vs those who went to the hospital with no confirmed infections. Per the paper's abstract: > We show that COMPARED TO PEOPLE WITH FIRST INFECT…
Find a better way to cope IMHO, nothing you said negates the main point that reinfection is creating worse outcomes in some people. Eric Topol is not "fear-mongering", you are projecting that insecurity of yours onto him.