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They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by pessimizer »

unixbane wrote: post #65
unixbane wrote: post #33

Yes yes, we're all gonna die because people are allowed to post on the internet. Decentralized messaging platforms should be illegal because they can't be moderated. You should only be able to host an internet service with a license and yearly federal inspections to make sure you're properly storing and backing up accountability logs of all users. > blah blah blah there are insane people in my country who will kill p…

Also, this title is the most hyperbolic "wah company bad" bullshit ever written.

Since the title of the OP is the literal truth written plainly, that means that you must think Twitter is bad.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by [deleted] »

NavinF wrote: post #125
waqasx wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i am not. i find this accusation disgusting. i do not have a problem, legally, in staying here. my problem is exactly because i WANT to go back and not face any violence.

> go back and not face any violence Seems kinda unrealistic after the gov’t accused you of inciting violence.

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by pkrotich »

Should twitter censor such tweets? I don’t think so unless it violates their terms - but if the target disputes it then they should label it as disputed - with link to dispute report if it passes basic checks.

That said I know this can be abused just like dmca take down notices. It’s truly arduous to balance and context matters which in turn requires godly number of man hours.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by indymike »

fluoridation wrote: post #114
indymike wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. From the article: the author is asking to have false, defamatory content removed. > That’s the police or justice system’s job. That is not an available option to the author of this article. The author is alleging that false posts are being made to lay the groundwork for the au…

>the author is asking to have false, defamatory content removed. The author is asking to have content that he says is false removed. >The author is alleging that false posts are being made to lay the groundwork for the author being detained and tortured by the local justice system. Since the tweets may be used as an excuse to have him detained, removing them will do nothing, because the government could just as easil…

So basically meh, they'll torture him anyway?

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by root_axis »

pessimizer wrote: post #133
root_axis wrote: post #63

> Twitter, despite millions of Pakistani users, it seems has no moderation system that understands local dynamics. Many would argue they don't even understand the local dynamics of the U.S. It's impossible for twitter to be an arbiter of the truth around the world, and you shouldn't expect them to be. However, I understand that's cold comfort for someone facing the threat of torture, death, or exile from their home,…

> It's impossible for twitter to be an arbiter of the truth around the world Twitter only seems interested in this job in the countries and on the side of the factions who are politically helpful to Twitter. Twitter wouldn't care about Pakistan unless the State Department told them to care about Pakistan, and they could just as easily enter the fray by labeling the OPs tweets as deceptive and connected to foreign mis…

> Twitter only seems interested in this job in the countries and on the side of the factions who are politically helpful to Twitter

So what? This is true of every media gatekeeper and always will be. Again, it's impossible for twitter to keep up with every change in the wind across the entire planet; they can't even do a satisfactory job of it in their own country.

> they could just as easily enter the fray by labeling the OPs tweets as deceptive and connected to foreign misinformation as they could enter it on the side of preventing his harassment.

If this story continues to get exposure this will probably happen, meanwhile there are thousands of other stories of threats and abuse that will go unabated and unheard because it's happening to someone that wasn't lucky enough to go viral. Twitter can only do so much, especially while opposing factions fight them every time they do anything.

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Post by majormajor »

dnissley wrote: post #101
DoreenMichele wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a moderator. Decisions are made contextually. One of his complaints is they clearly don't know what the hell is going on in Pakistan and this is a root cause of their mishandling of things. It is a completely reasonable criticism.

Is it really reasonable? Twitter fails regularly to take such context into consideration when making moderation decisions in their home country. How could it be reasonable to expect them to get it right when it comes to the context of a foreign country?

I think it would be perfectly reasonable to simply choose not to operate in countries where the environment is such that your platform is likely to get people killed.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by kayodelycaon »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #46
nwienert wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that’s not clear. The tweet you show claims you are “appointed” to a position by a human rights org in India. But your denials all say you aren’t “working” for India, and you claim here for “intel agencies”. It would be good to be more clear on both sides. Did they appoint you or did you associate in any form? Are they an independent org or a government agency? Maybe there were multiple accusations you are…

The International Human Rights Foundation (IHRF) seems to be an NGO based in New York, perhaps with offices in India as well, but they don't seem to be an organ of the Indian government. The author of this article quotes a tweet trying discredit the IHRF by claiming they are "registered in India" (might be true, but so what?)

Pakistan and India aren’t exactly on great terms.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by root_axis »

tsol wrote: post #121
DoreenMichele wrote: post #30

I am sorry for the responses I am seeing on HN. People with cushy lives who've likely never faced similar danger seem to just not really get it. I will say that your framing is one that most Westerners will have trouble taking seriously. It might go over better to document known cases where this pattern occurred and show the similarities. Walk people through it like they are five, so to speak. I know it's hard to do…

It's strange though, when it involves lgbtq or politics they suddenly understand why Twitter may need to police certain kinds of conversations. But when the actors involved are foreign, suddenly those high minded ideals turn into ambiguity and 'Twitter understandably doesn't want to take a side'. Yet last month I was hearing on this very forum that inaction is indeed pushing a side

It's not strange. Twitter is a U.S. company, of course it takes a deeper interest in matters of U.S. politics than it does about every other country on the planet.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by fluoridation »

pessimizer wrote: post #136
fluoridation wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the author is asking to have false, defamatory content removed. The author is asking to have content that he says is false removed. >The author is alleging that false posts are being made to lay the groundwork for the author being detained and tortured by the local justice system. Since the tweets may be used as an excuse to have him detained, removing them will do nothing, because the government could just as easil…

> Since the tweets may be used as an excuse to have him detained, removing them will do nothing, because the government could just as easily use a different medium for the same purpose. This is nonsense. That's like letting someone use your gun to shoot someone because they'd be able to find a gun somewhere.

You're right, Twitter is a gun and tweets are bullets that kill. It's a perfectly apt analogy. /s
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