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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by metrix »

cheschire wrote: post #131
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

I'm a deep computer nerd, I play lots of games, with a family watching streaming on 2 to 4 devices regularly, I buy a decent amount of games, download terabytes per year... I'm just fine with my 300 mbps connection. Even when it drops to 20 mbps occasionally it's not the worst experience. I'm not sure what it is that is different about me than my peers.

I'm right there with you, as long as that 300 mbps connection is symmetrical, and the ISP is carrier neutral. I didn't know how big a deal neutrality was until I switched from Suddenlink to a small company called Vexus. Gigabytes of nightly backups went from hours to 5 minutes, and downloads from certain companies improved drastically.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by gumby »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

Your SSD comment aside: not everyone lives alone; during the lockdown we had four people using the network simultaneously during the day, plus of course some of my other machines using the network. We have friends with three or four kids, which would have magnified that demand.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by pxeboot »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #92
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

10GBaseT is the wrong solution, period. As you've found out it runs hot (somehow I doubt all the fanless consumer trinkets are going to last very long). Not that Ubiquiti is a good example – even with their 1G kit they had issues with thermal management. Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves (especially the early ones with the tiny SD cards). True to form my ER-Xs get flakey when it gets slightly w…

> Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves

I must have a different revision of the ER-X. Mine only runs slightly warm to the touch, running off of PoE and powering an AP.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by DannyBee »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

you are off by an a factor of 3-5 :).

The random consumer ssd reads/writes as 300-600megabytes/second, easily. That's 3-5gbps, not 1gbps.

A reasonable 7200rpm spinning disk can easily saturate 1gbps.

Most home grade nas RAID arrays can saturate 10gbps. (obviously not 2 spinning disk mirror ones :P)

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by DannyBee »

TylerE wrote: post #82
icedchai wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be off a bit. A gigabit is only around 125 megabytes a second. A low end consumer SSD is closer to a 550 megabytes second, or ~4 gigabits. A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second. 30 to 40x a gigabit!

Under ideal circumstances, yes. When say, torrenting, or anything else with non-ideal file access patterns real world speeds are not going to be nearly that high, especially on a consumer-grade drive.

Stress tests on consumer SSD's consistently show 300-500megabytes/s. The whole point of an SSD is that it has ridiculously high available iops, so what you are saying literally does not make sense.

a consumer SSD will have about 50k iops at that 300-500megabyte/s . The access pattern will not practically matter at all until you saturate that or get close. The drive is effectively constant time until you hit the limits of the interface, or at least get somewhere near it. A consumer will never get near it.

So they can expect, and consistent testing shows, they will get 300-500 megabytes/s in real world conditions, and even harsh conditions.

I actually have no idea why you don't just say "yeah, i was wrong" and move on. It's clear you are wrong about this - there is no data to support what you are saying. It's also totally and completely orthogonal to a more rasonable argument - they don't care about the speed anyway.

IE arguing they don't have equipment that can saturate 1gbps is silly - they clearly do. arguing they wouldn't care either way because the speed difference doesn't matter to them is more reasonable.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by maxharris »

sarchertech wrote: post #91

I’ve had EPB for about 3 years now (since I moved to Chattanooga). It’s fantastic. Every once in a while someone will post in the local Facebook group asking which ISP they should go with. It turns into pages and pages of EPB!, EPB!, EPB! Mixed with comments about how much better it is than Comcast. Not only is the service better and cheaper, customer service is much much better.

Hello from the Southside!

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by ShakataGaNai »

mabbo wrote: post #101

I recently upgraded to 1.5gbps and realized a few things. The downsides: the Cat5e cables inside my condo walls can't handle more than 1.0gbps; my desktop's network port also maxes out at 1.0gbps; the wifi router in my home can't do more than 600mbps even if standing right next to it. But also, nothing I do needs this much bandwidth. I can download any steam game in the blink of an eye. I can watch streaming video at…

What will you need that much bandwidth for... in the future.

Today? You don't need 25gig. Even if you're in a house with all the latest technology and a half dozen users, you probably won't ever saturate that line unless everyone REALLY tried.

But tomorrow is a different story. Ethernet above 1gig is becoming more common in the consumer world. Not super popular, but its starting to take shape. Wifi 6E has a theoretical maximum of just shy of 10gig. Wifi 7 (not ratified) is looking to be around 40gig.

With work from home and, in general, the world going more digital - there is a lot more pushing around of files. Do you have an iPhone or Android? Everytime your phone is on the wifi its backing up your photos/videos (and other stuff). That alone can slow down most peoples internet connections. Does your computer do backups?

Also once your internet starts to hit about the 1gig mark, you can treat remote servers like we treat LAN today. Want to have a server but don't want to have it at home? That's ok when you've got 1+ gig internet. Of course, it'd be even nicer if that was even faster... in theory.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by johnwalkr »

chrsig wrote: post #133
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

This was my experience when I had a gigabit connection. I could download games from steam as fast as my ssd would write it. Which was pretty awesome, but I'm not often pushing that sort of bandwidth. The counter argument being that without it being a commodity, we don't know what might be invented if it were. We could miss out on, or delay lots of really amazing innovations.

That’s not my experience at all. I had 10Gbps internet in Tokyo. In normal browsing there wasn’t much difference between using wifi which I normally did and connecting by 10Gbps Ethernet. But downloading on steam was one case where the difference was amazing, I could download a AAA game in 1-2 minutes instead of 10-20.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 1123581321 »

mabbo wrote: post #101

I recently upgraded to 1.5gbps and realized a few things. The downsides: the Cat5e cables inside my condo walls can't handle more than 1.0gbps; my desktop's network port also maxes out at 1.0gbps; the wifi router in my home can't do more than 600mbps even if standing right next to it. But also, nothing I do needs this much bandwidth. I can download any steam game in the blink of an eye. I can watch streaming video at…

All your network actions are processing 5-10x faster. A lot of the little things you do are instant at 1GB that added up at 100MB. Medium files are small, and small file transfers are barely noticeable. It changes the feeling of any UI that uses the network.

At 10GB, once you have hardware that supports it, the same thing is going to happen again. Your medium-sized files will feel instant.

On top of all that, you save time on large downloads, huge downloads become not inconvenient, and your whole household can pretty much do all that simultaneously.

Right now, 25gig would only be seriously considered for a business, though.

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