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Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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I process "3x cheaper" as "for the same money, I can get 3x the original amount". Which would be 33% the original price.

What would 1x cheaper mean? 100% of the original price?

That reminds of the sign "Buy one, get one". Does that mean you pay for an item and you get that item, or you pay for an item and you get another item for free? I expect the meaning to the be the second one, but my brain parses it to be the first one.

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1. Generating text content for websites and blogs 2. Translating documents from one language to another 3. Writing e-mails, letters, and other forms of correspondence 4. Crafting resumes and cover letters 5. Writing marketing materials, such as brochures and flyers 6. Responding to comments on HN. (I added the last one)

Is any of that actually going to be a massive industry-defining feature? Marketing blogs are already negative value to me, relying on AI to write something as important as my resume is a non-starter, and marketing emails already go straight to the trash. I'm very impressed with the AI image generation, but again, it replaces... stock art for blog posts? If I was a creative writer then I think the AI could help me wit…

> "If I was a creative writer then I think the AI could help me with plot outlines or get over writing blocks. But otherwise I'm not grasping why this is going to automate some huge number of jobs."

Writing definitely looks like the key use case. The New Yorker used GPT-3 to write the concluding sentence for one of their articles [0], and I believe The Economist did the same (but for a slightly greater length; though I couldn't find the source just now). It's actually a bit hard to come up with a good conclusion, so this could save some effort and trouble. Separately, GPT-3 can also likely be used for articles about sports, especially if the purpose is to track changes on a scoreboard and present the changes with an article written in prose, versus displayed in a table.

It's quite fair that marketing blogs may not be interesting to many readers, but they can be useful for SEO/boosting the search engine rankings of a website. So, a cash-strapped early or small company could save money from freelance copywriting to GPT-3 if they're not looking for anything fancy, and a lot of people work as freelance copywriters.

I agree that this may not displace anyone in the high-end/high quality segment of copywriting, but it could reduce demand for content farms in the future (i.e. any application where low-quality copywriting written on a short notice is in-demand).

[0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/14/can-a-machine-...

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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>1x cheaper would be same price. Let's say you have a product for sale at $32. Then you have a sale to boost name recognition, and have a coupon for $32 dollars off (limited time offer). Or equivalently, that would be $32 cheaper. So the net price is free ($0). $32 cheaper = 100% cheaper = 1x cheaper. Likewise, 25% cheaper = 25% less expensive, or doing the math $32 - 0.25*$32 = 0.75*$32 = $24.

That’s precisely why it’s confusing, yes. You can’t equate 100% cheaper with 1x cheaper. 99% cheaper is sensible. 200% cheaper is not. 2x cheaper is. I’d love a cogent reason to explain this convention.

>2x cheaper is .

No, it isn't sensible, and is certainly confusing, and that is why you should commit to never using that phrasing from this day forward. It isn't like there is a hardship you have to overcome when using precise language. There are plenty of alternative ways to state the desired objective that are clear and unambiguous:

  - The product is now half-priced!
  - The item costs half as much!
  - The unit comes with a 50% discount!

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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Is it just me, or are phrases like "3x cheaper" hard for other people to grok too? For some reason they always require me to pause and try to sort it out. Like, is the price being reduced by 66% or 75% or something else? What would "1x cheaper" mean?

Yep, every time.

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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post #141
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would 1x cheaper mean? 100% of the original price?

That reminds of the sign "Buy one, get one". Does that mean you pay for an item and you get that item, or you pay for an item and you get another item for free? I expect the meaning to the be the second one, but my brain parses it to be the first one.

That’s because it they have left off the word “free” - it’s just an odd shortening of the less ambiguous “buy one get one free”, probably made by someone who is very familiar with seeing “buy one get one free”

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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Is it just me, or are phrases like "3x cheaper" hard for other people to grok too? For some reason they always require me to pause and try to sort it out. Like, is the price being reduced by 66% or 75% or something else? What would "1x cheaper" mean?

No, it's not just you. When you "times" something it is multiplication, not division. The phrasing is a logical impossibility, where the reader has to guess the intent of the author - of which there are several interpretations. The key here is that this is a language "thing" only and certainly not a construct of logic or math. In the headline of this page, it wouldn't have taken but a moment to write a phrasing that…

Ironically GPT-3 probably understands this headline fine. (For a suitably generous definition of understands).

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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I'm not sure about using 10x in place of 'an order of magnitude'. An order of magnitude conveys an approximation, whereas 10x is precise.

10x is literally the difference of an order of magnitude. An order of magnitude is an exponential change of plus or minus 1 in the value of a quantity or unit. The term is generally used in conjunction with power-of-10 scientific notation. Order of magnitude is used to make the size of numbers and measurements of things more intuitive and understandable. It is generally used to provide approximate comparisons between…

Yeah but it's like the difference between someone saying that their height is 1.8m and saying it is 1.800m. They imply different levels of precision.

Re: OpenAI API pricing update FAQ

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I lack imagination. What is GPT-3 (and generative text models in general) useful for, other than toys? It can write essays, can we expect it to replace writers for newspapers and magazines? Can it write coherent technical documentation? Replace speechwriters? Edit: looks like the comment thread below is similar https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32554955

Besides all the ideas of well meaning people in HN, I fear GPT-3 (and its competitors) will just bring almost impossible to spot fake Amazon reviews, SEO garbage sites, fake blogs, fake podcasts, etc.

And even worse, now corporations and governments don't even need to have troll farms. Just rent some AI, give it basic directions, and let it loose.

The Dead Internet Theory will become real.

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