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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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There’s no doubt that they have invested a lot of money but that doesn’t guarantee returns and data centers have a fair amount of cost to keep running. The big thing I’d like is to have Google Cloud broken out as a separate business. While it’s true that shutting it down would harm them, I haven’t gotten the impression that their management are especially concerned. As an enterprise customer of both, AWS seems way mo…

I reward AWS with my business and tolerate GCP when necessary. What's funny is there was a core of engineers back in 2009 who understood everything necessary to get the technical side of Cloud to be competitive with AWS, and mostly succeeded, but by then, it was clear that Google simply didn't know how to market to enterprises. The whole thing was a squandered opportunity and I simply did not understand at the time (…

My snide remark is Google the hive mind doesn't understand what a customer is. As in someone who in return for you promising to do something on an ongoing basis will give you money. Googlers react to that as if a street hustler is trying to get them to play three-card monte.

More likely they have the same problem Intel had. Intel had a lucrative impossible to replicate business in processors. As a result they regularly abandoned one market segment after another because they couldn't get the gross margin they expected. Googles doing the same exact thing.

Other problem is googles business is backwards in that they set the requirements out for what they'll do not the supposed see above customer. All these other business ventures have customers with strict demands that they want met.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Yes. They already angered the game dev community, and few believe Stadia will stay around. This angers the industrial internet-of-things community. You can get Siemens industrial equipment tied to Google IoT Core. Hopefully you don't already have it installed. Industrial controls people think in terms of decades, not months. A Coursera class on Google IoT Core for industrial control started today. 77,000 people signe…

>few believe Stadia will stay around I think the people that still think Stadia is gonna shut down any time soon are just the gamer blogs/communities that have been running shutdown rumor pieces every month or so for the last 3 years. (Most recently the killedbygoogle guy's "my friend heard on facebook that Stadia's shutting down..." post that went viral.) Stadia's actively signing hardware deals with Samsung/LG and…

This year GDC Google announced a new support libraries for migration into Stadia, as very few studios want to mess with Linux and Vulkan, and then be told Stadia is no more.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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I don't know why anyone would build anything that relies on a google offering these days. What are they going to discontinue next?

Supposedly the funding for Google Cloud will go bye-bye if they don't beat Azure by 2023. They won't axe all of Google Cloud, but I bet they'll start killing services that don't make money. (Remember: Google is an advertising company; loss-leading cloud services don't help them sell ads)

Given that it is a two horses race for most businesses, I guess they should be cleaning up their CVs.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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This is starting to feel like the Windows platform post MFC/Win32. Every couple years, it was a new initiative to get developers and the middle management deciders revved up. A sort of a “we’re building it so that you’ll come, right?” thing. And then a year or so later, a new initiative replaced it, the offering was dramatically watered down, or just altogether sunset’ed.

You can still get new project templates on VS 2022, bugs get fixed, and little things like HDPI support added.

A very big difference with Google's offerings.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Honesty, this is "just" MQTT/HTTPS ingress.

Further communication to Pub/Sub wouldn't change in any way.

IoT Core as a service has some design choices that make it attractive such as JWT token auth, and complex to optimize, such as communication pattern details.

If any of you would be interested in migrating to a fully compatible solution, give me a shout at rwarz[at]softserveinc.com since we are building one ;)

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

As a former head of engineering for a mid-sized IoT company with many tens of thousands of devices deployed in the field using a competing product (no, not the AWS one), seeing this made my stomach churn. This was my second biggest fear after waking up to a ransomware attack. It's hard to imagine anyone trusting Google for IoT again. I will certainly put them at the bottom of my list for any other infrastructure I de…

I fully agree that having more than just one year to migrate it's a bit short. Especially within the lifecycle of the devices that counts in decades.

Changing the ingress endpoint shouldn't be a big deal via OTA or configuration change. The lack of such configuration in the first place would be concerning for any new devices.

Ransomware attack it's a real threat.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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I'm in the process of migrating PrintNanny.ai's remote command/event system off Cloud IoT Core. I've been running on IoT Core for 1.5 years. Here's my breakdown of the costs... - $236.99 in usage, approx 1% of project's total revenue - ~20 hours to implement pub/sub applications running on a mix of Raspberry Pi & GCP VMs. Implementations were in Rust and Python. It would have taken much, much longer to stand up a man…

Don't hesitate to join the NATS slack group and reach out if you need any help, we're a friendly bunch

Good to know, perhaps over a Martini?

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Twitter users who apparently play Stadia tell quite a different story in every encounter I've had with them.

I play Stadia. Couples of weeks ago, ToS change. Couple of days ago, an ad on my LG TV that if i sign up for Stadia i get 3 months free, and the Stadia app is very prominently shown in the Applications menu. Same on my ISP's Android TV box. Each month ~10 games get added to the Stadia Pro tier. Stadia isn't going anywhere soon, or the people working in the division haven't been told and have continued spending money…

'Stadia isn't going anywhere soon, or the people working in the division haven't been told and have continued spending money left and right with partnership deals, which would be a weird waste of money.'

LOL, that is Google 101.

Allow me to introduce you to the Google Graveyard[1]

[1] https://killedbygoogle.com/

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