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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Ignorance is bliss.

Most things labelled smart these days are not.

Happy (one of my least favorite words) seems to mean passive contentment in the modern context -- a recipe for getting nothing accomplished.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/happy "characterized by a dazed irresponsible state" a punch-happy boxer

That definition seems to fit the 'happy' people pretty well.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I actually would not expect smart people to be happier. In fact, I wouldn't expect any group of people to be particularly happier than anyone else. Happiness and suffering are two sides of the same coin and we evolved these feelings (or they were bestowed upon us by God, either way) in order to guide us. We do more of what feels good, less of what feels bad. If we're happy all the time, happiness loses its intended p…

> I wouldn't expect any group of people to be particularly happier than anyone else

Interestingly, there is at least 1 group (to my knowledge) that is particularly happier than most everyone else. When surveyed, nearly 99% indicate that they are happy with their lives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3740159/

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The smarter people see the truth of the world and the universe. If the truth was good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cares about us, smart people would be so happy. But being smart just means you know the awful reality of things. Congrats, you learned about all these awful things you can’t do much to fix, and the reward is you get to experience existential dread. Congra…

> If the truth was good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cares about us, smart people would be so happy. Relative to 200 years ago, we do. People aren't any happier. That's not how happiness works. See: Hedonistic adaptation.

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was expecting the OP to say that smarter people were less likely to be happy, because that is the sense a lot of us who believe ourselves to be "smart" have. But that's not what OP is about, and it suggests that's not really what the research says either, there's maybe a bit of hint of a small negative correlation like that, but mostly it says: no correlation. Rather than making the argument you are making, which I…

Sometimes people call it wisdom. A concept which has largely fallen out of fashion.

OP suggests:

> Wisdom comes the closest, but it suggests a certain fustiness and grandeur, and poorly defined problems aren’t just dramatic questions like “how do you live a good life”; they're also everyday questions like “how do you host a good party” and “how do you figure out what to do today."

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The smarter people see the truth of the world and the universe. If the truth was good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cares about us, smart people would be so happy. But being smart just means you know the awful reality of things. Congrats, you learned about all these awful things you can’t do much to fix, and the reward is you get to experience existential dread. Congra…

Serious question - how old are you? Anecdotally I’ve noticed smart people tend to have this attitude until their late 20s when it starts mellowing out. Now I’m a bit older I see my smarter friends happier than anyone and the less smart just about the same as always

Cognitive decline is a natural consequence of aging

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The crux of the article: > Spearman was right that people differ in their ability to solve well-defined problems. But he was wrong that well-defined problems are the only kind of problems. “Why can’t I find someone to spend my life with?” “Should I be a dentist or a dancer?” and “How do I get my child to stop crying?” are all important but poorly defined problems. “How can we all get along?” is not a multiple-choice…

Seems like the correlations between IQ tests and life outcomes related to this ill defined questions does imply a degree of crossover in rotating shape skill and dealing with the ambiguities of life. However that is probably genetic or due to early development , not something where practicing shape rotation to improve it further will improve your marriage or relationship with your kids.

There may be small, sub-linear improvements. But the general thesis seems roughly correct.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The smarter people see the truth of the world and the universe. If the truth was good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cares about us, smart people would be so happy. But being smart just means you know the awful reality of things. Congrats, you learned about all these awful things you can’t do much to fix, and the reward is you get to experience existential dread. Congra…

I was expecting the OP to say that smarter people were less likely to be happy, because that is the sense a lot of us who believe ourselves to be "smart" have. But that's not what OP is about, and it suggests that's not really what the research says either, there's maybe a bit of hint of a small negative correlation like that, but mostly it says: no correlation. Rather than making the argument you are making, which I…

Weird, I thought smart people are those who are good at solving poorly defined problems.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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The crux of the article: > Spearman was right that people differ in their ability to solve well-defined problems. But he was wrong that well-defined problems are the only kind of problems. “Why can’t I find someone to spend my life with?” “Should I be a dentist or a dancer?” and “How do I get my child to stop crying?” are all important but poorly defined problems. “How can we all get along?” is not a multiple-choice…

That's wish-washing the answer where none is needed. I bet you smarter people are better at answering all of the questions you listed. Cursory search on IQ vs marital status confirms that.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#150

I actually would not expect smart people to be happier. In fact, I wouldn't expect any group of people to be particularly happier than anyone else. Happiness and suffering are two sides of the same coin and we evolved these feelings (or they were bestowed upon us by God, either way) in order to guide us. We do more of what feels good, less of what feels bad. If we're happy all the time, happiness loses its intended p…

> That's why, no matter what financial windfall you may experience, give it 6 months and you'll be just as miserable (or worse) as you were before. But because you got a high off of it initially, you keep pursuing more and more, always convinced the next upgrade in your life is what will do the trick. But it doesn't. All you're doing is raising the bar for what it takes to make you momentarily happy. I am pretty sure…

I think there were a few studies that showed a correlation between income and happiness... until a certain point when money stopped helping.

Guess it stops mattering when you attain some kind of financial peace of mind.

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