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Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #46
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #34

The context for this: say you're a SaaS and you want to tap into the EU market. Per GDPR, personally identifiable data shouldn't leave the jurisdiction of the EU so you should use EU hosted servers, storage etc. So you might then split your app to an EU hosted datacenter of your preferred cloud provider. This ruling says that's insufficient as while the data remains functionally in the EU it's still possible for it t…

> it's still possible for it to be accessed on the backend by non EU entities. Why is this the case? Why aren't EU employees who allow the data to leave the EU negligent?

Do you mean "liable" instead of "negligent"?

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 wrote: post #49

> It followed that company A's service qualified as an unlawful transfer of data to a third country because their parent company was located in the US, violating relevant data protection law (Article 44 GDPR). > The Chamber explained that a transfer in this context must also be assumed when data can be accessed from a third country, regardless of whether this actually takes place. The fact that the physical location…

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by AnonMO »

kreeben wrote: post #124
jaywalk wrote: post #92

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> We are capable of doing that ourselves. Then do it.

You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.

If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by emptysongglass »

jtwaleson wrote: post #126
emptysongglass wrote: post #97

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I mean I'm really enjoying Scaleway for all of the things I'd use AWS for: EKS, managed DBs, and cloud M1 Macs are all accounted for.

But you realize that all tightly integrated high-level services like IAM, Kinesis, Lambda, DynamoDB, CloudWatch (just to name a few from AWS), make the cloud a joy to work with? AWS had VMs and Managed DBs in 2009(!).

My personal experience with IAM is that it makes AWS awful to work with. I honestly wish it was replaced with an service far simpler in design. CloudWatch is similarly obtuse.

I think you have a point with Lambda though I don't use serverless much. How does Knative compare?

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by bettysdiagnose »

blocked_again wrote: post #139
simion314 wrote: post #125

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But when is about TikTok I see most americans have completely different values, no sorry americans are consistent, only US citizens deserve rights, the rest can be spied on, tortured,killed etc. Give EU citizens same privacy rights and there so no need to start an economic war because some NSA fat and lazy agent does not want to prepare a file to request a warrant. If you are at it, maybe is tiem to let US citizens t…

You do know that nobody in US is forcing you to use this site or any other US companies for that matter. You are doing it with your own free fill. Also, remember the time when Germany decided to go after their own people? How does laws like this help when it comes to situations like that?

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

AnonMO wrote: post #143
kreeben wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.

If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by xdennis »

blocked_again wrote: post #100
johannes1234321 wrote: post #94

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Maybe it's just, that the European law makers understand the risk of being are to transfer sensitive persona data into other legislations, and that a local registered company doesn't mean there are technical bounds.

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If you store data in your own country with non-American companies you're protected by your country's judicial system. If you use an American company or American-based company you're subject to illegal spying from the NSA or extra-judicial warrants from the CLOUD Act (which compels Americans to apply American law outside the US).

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by CBarkleyU »

blocked_again wrote: post #100
johannes1234321 wrote: post #94

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Maybe it's just, that the European law makers understand the risk of being are to transfer sensitive persona data into other legislations, and that a local registered company doesn't mean there are technical bounds.

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> From what we know, so far, it was the EU countries which elected politicians that went after their own people. Not the US.

Please stick to Reddit with cheap rhetoric like that.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by kazen44 »

fvdessen wrote: post #11

Looking for an informed opinion; what are the practical consequences for European companies using American cloud providers (which I guess is most of them) ?

in my opinion, most european companies are not using the cloud (especially if they are not in the tech space).

Colocated hosting is very, very large in europe, and many small/medium bussinesses operate out of a couple of VM's on a server in some datacenter, usually managed by some MSP.

Also, Egress fees are very expensive in the cloud, especially if you look at the cost of data transfer inside colocated facilities. data transfer in the US seem expensive even if you look at colo/private circuits compared to europe.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by AnonMO »

mattashii wrote: post #133
AnonMO wrote: post #128

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But you do not need to mention the GDPR to comply with the GDPR.

They also use google analytics which i remember reading a couple weeks ago has ongoing issues with the eu.
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