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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

I’m not sure if they still do but you used to be able to hold two passports simultaneously. One that was ‘clean’ for countries that didn’t recognise Israel and another for Israel.

Israel stopped stamping passports years ago, as I understand it. They give you a separate piece of paper/plastic instead.

There may well be other combinations of countries that justify a person having multiple passports.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Officially, Taiwan agree to the “One China” stance. They even agree in the 1992 consensus that RoC and PRC does not agree who is the legitimate government of both mainland China and Taiwan islands, but the One China stance itself is not something in dispute.

The constitution of Taiwan claims sovereignty over mainland China, although they added an amendment to differentiate “free area” citizens (Taiwanese) and citizens under control of the “rebellions” (I don’t know if they removed the specific wording yet).

You could argue that Taiwan have to agree to One China by force, as the PRC has made it very clear that the PLA (People’s liberation Army) is invading if Taiwan abandon the stance.

With that in mind, Taiwan and China situation is really similar to a civil war, Taiwan is just a secessionist. And until the situation is resolved, there is nothing wrong with label it “Taiwan, China”

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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It will be painful. It will cause huge economic disruption. There will be a fall in living standards and severe inflation.

But, it's time for US companies to pull out of China. The moral imperative to help China rise out of poverty through trade is done. They are no longer a poor country. Now we are compromising our values for something stupid ... for cheaper iPhones.

Long term our Grandchildren will all be under the boots of the CPC if we don't take the pain now.

I'm not suggesting we war with China. I'm suggesting we remove their leverage from our economies. As long as EU and America need Chinese goods to subsidize their massively irresponsible fiscal policies, Chinese dictators will have leverage over Western people.

You have to sacrifice material well-being for freedom at the right time, or you will have neither in a generation.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Alternative view: Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. A country whose increasing rivalry with the US in economic power and geopolitical influence (along with increased tensions) has been clear for well over a decade. Apple is diversifying a bit i…

This is the situation for the rest of the chip industry besides Intel, who also uses Taiwan TSMC fabs for some of their side operations (see Arc GPUs). Not just computer chips either, 37% of U.S. clothing imports are from China[0], for example. 0: https://www.just-style.com/analysis/analysis-china-market-sh...

So... we're in agreement that over-reliance on China is a bad thing, then?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

Only when provoked by US.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Taiwan follows the "One China" policy. They view themselves as Chinese even more so than the PRC, not part of some sort of separate, "independent" culture/nation. So the "China" badge is quite justified on its own terms.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

> So, if a supposedly neutral international body sees it fit to maintain the link, then what hope have you got for individual countries or their companies ? The body was most certainly not neutral.

Neutrality in politics doesn't refer to a Platonic ideal where the existence of a conflict doesn't affect you in any way. Neutrality is a pragmatic message: "I understand you two have a conflict, I'm not going to take it upon myself to solve it, but I'd like to operate here regardless".

One option is of course to say that nobody should be neutral in the conflict between China and Taiwan, but the obvious objection is that Taiwan does not want this. Taiwan's economic links with the mainland are enormous and it's absolutely routine for Taiwanese businesses to export to China or do business in China under Chinese regulations. (For example, you may be familiar with Foxconn, a Taiwanese company with over a million Chinese employees.)

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Apple will knuckle under in about 3 seconds when the war starts and do whatever the US government asks them to do.

100% of Apple's important chips depend on Taiwan continuing to be Taiwan (and TSMC continuing to be TSMC). ~100% of Apple's manufacturing depends on China continuing to permit hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals in Chinese factories (Foxconn's plants in Zhengzhou and elsewhere) building Apple products. I'm not sure what you mean by "knuckle under" in this context, but Apple is, today, wholly dependent upon Tai…

To me the only left long term solution is to move as much technology and specialized workforce out of China to rebuild chip farms in different countries. I understand it's a very long and costly process, but also the mere starting it could work as a leverage.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Isn't Apple's stance exactly what the US government does: formally not recognizing Taiwan, while at the same time working with them? Everyone is a little bit angry, but nobody so much that they do something about it. And as long as the US doesn't formally recognize Taiwan, "made in Taiwan" shouldn't even be considered formally correct in the US, even if the issue with Chinese enforcement around this label didn't exis…

This is correct. The US does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country. The Taiwanese government doesn't recognize itself as a separate country from mainland China. I guess some people want Apple to have some US ultra-jingoist Opium Wars attitude to China that the US (aside from perhaps Pelosi) does not.

There is a large faction in the US that supports Taiwan independence.

This has nothing to do with your claims of colonialism. Some people just want Taiwan free from the CCP. Ask HK how great things are under unification.

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