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Re: What I think about network states

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Post by stale2002 » Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 9:27 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #140

stale2002 wrote: post #135

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Ok, but the point here is that "reformist libertarians" are the much larger group. The vast majority of people who call themselves libertarians are merely moderately economically right wing and moderately socially left wing.

That has no bearing on the original proposal vitalik is responding to being tinged with the nation-building folly of seccessionists.

Sure it does.

It has something to do with it, because there are ways of achieving their goals without some massive, giant, violent revolution.

Special economic zones, are the most common example of this, and are created by countries in a perfectly legal way, without some violent revolution.

Using financial resources to get a country to create a special economic zone would be both reformist, non revolutionary or violent, and has historical examples of being achieved.

Re: What I think about network states

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Post by ibz » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 6:17 AM UTC

Vespasian wrote: post #86

ibz wrote: post #56

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Very much agree. The only cryptocurrency that does not require a trusted third party is Bitcoin - and that is because it uses energy as a link to the real world. All the PoS crap is just various trusted third parties, which the fiat system already has (governments, banks...) and works better and is well regulated and well understood. Zero added value.

I don't think this is what the GP is talking about. Think of this scenario: Suppose I got an online token/contract/NFT on any Blockchain that says I own the property and house at 123 Main Street and further suppose this is as verified on the chain as it can be. No doubt about it. Then when I show up to 123 Main Street there is already someone living there with a different claim (let's say a classic deed in some gover…

I understand exactly what the comment was about: there is absolutely no way to enforce something "on the blockchain" in real life.

Hence, the only thing a blockchain can be used for is an abstract token that does not have an equivalent in the real life, and thus can be used to represent anything - not just a house or an artwork or a chicken - but all of these at the same time and yet it is backed by actual energy.

And this is Bitcoin.

Every other use of a blockchain is a scam.

Re: What I think about network states

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Post by henearkr » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 4:28 AM UTC

paisawalla wrote: post #109

henearkr wrote: post #95

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What you call "force of law" is just rules decided by everybody for the good of all, in a democracy. You use this expression to make it look like oppression, but it is the complete contrary, it is mutual help by choosing beneficial rules. Helping to build democracies, you help everybody! Except the few dictators, but why would you care for their feelings more than the feelings of the whole population. Unless they are…

TLDR: democracy is rule by the people, unless the people choose poorly or refuse to accept what is Obviously Good and Right. Your ideas are bad and naive, and because you seem to be disavowing my natural right to refuse to participate in this poorly thought out ideological regime which you would have rule the world, you are also proposing tyranny. I don't accept that your idea of what "bad" is, is anything other than…

If you don't like democracy, why would you get upset that the government of a country/region is not listening to your opinion?

By dichotomy:

- either the government listens to your preferences, so it is not a tyranny, but as you are not alone to be listened to, a democratic system becomes required (unless you want to be the dictator?)

- either your preference is to not live in a democracy, and in this case the gvt does not listen to you, because you have no such right .

By the way, do you live currently in a democracy?

Re: What I think about network states

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Post by henearkr » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 4:35 AM UTC

betwixthewires wrote: post #124

henearkr wrote: post #42

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Ugh to your credit I should have precised that I do NOT envision this integrated Earth to be anything else than a democracy. Sorry, it was obvious for me.

Some people don't want democracy. Some people just want to be left alone. Would those people be forced into your hypothetical global set of laws?

The problem is that without a democratic system, you have no right to be listened to when you ask to be left alone, unless you're part of the dictatorial governing body.

An authoritarian government does what it likes, not what you like.