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Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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"forging a resume and doing the interview for him" Um ... surely when he showed up to work and he wasn't YOU ... there were some questions?

He shows up for the interview. He just opens a 2nd Meet call on another computer and as he is asked questions, I feed him the answers and he types them in or repeats them.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I fully agree. But society sends no signal that I am a problem beyond outrage when I admit it. Nobody would admonish me for being exactly the same without me mentioning it to them.

I disagree. Start your own business and you'll see the pain that this kind of shenanigans causes. Your problem is your lack of experience is also giving you a lack of empathy.

If they had a problem with me, I am sure that my performance would be complained about by now.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I have no idea what you're saying or what upthread you're referring to.

Ok, gotcha: upthread, meaning, like, "post prior to this one, under same triangle". I'm outta date on lingo. Maybe "GP"? I see that on Reddit to mean grandparent post.

Okay, I didn't think "upthread" was so specific.

But you were the one who introduced the word "rationality". It implies ethical behavior is somehow irrational. I don't believe it is.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I'm looking for advice on a similar issue. Somebody is impersonating me on dating sites and blackmailing women. They convince their victims to send nude photos, and then they threaten to send the photos to their families. The scammer (or scammers) use photos of me that used to be publicly available on social media. They also use my real name, presumably so that the victims see a legitimate LinkedIn profile when they…

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Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I fully agree. But society sends no signal that I am a problem beyond outrage when I admit it. Nobody would admonish me for being exactly the same without me mentioning it to them.

> society sends no signal that I am a problem beyond outrage when I admit it Aren't you only admitting it to people who can't DO anything about you, except express outrage? Why don't you tell your boss your scheme, and see if they only thing they do is "express outrage"? Your behavior is very anti-social, and your rationalizations for why it's OK are very weak.

The outrage from my employers would be that they are not getting more from me for the same amount of money. They are clearly currently satisfied with my performance.

By not having terminated me (and I survived two layoffs across the three companies, so they had a chance to do just that very easily), they do not have an issue with my current output.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I've been hiring on Upwork since 2007. I love the idea of being able to hire people with particular skillsets for a short time. For example, we had a unique issue with elasticsearch. We hired someone on Upwork with a Ph.D. and wrote a book on it. For a few hundred dollars, he was able to resolve our issue in a few hours. For every good experience, we have had about four bad experiences. The Upwork marketplace is fill…

You've kept using this service for over 10 years despite a 1/5 success rate?

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Just wanted chime in with second a second anecdote that I was going to post. We needed a Django developer. Put an ad on Upwork at the high end of the recommended salary range. The ad specified US Eligible worker for legal reasons. Of the 10 or so applicants, seven flat out refused to appear on webcam so I decided to talk to the eighth. This person claim to be in Seattle. Having lived there I asked them two relatively…

> Second, what color is the bubbly music museum next door? Obviously, this is a trick given it’s multicolored. I went to the Space Needle three years ago and I wouldn't be able to answer that question. I wouldn't assume that someone who lives in Seattle goes through the Space Needle area on a daily basis; it's quite touristy. This comes from someone who lives in touristy areas. Ask me what color a building is next to…

Maybe lying about whether you can see it is a red flag?

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I fully agree. But society sends no signal that I am a problem beyond outrage when I admit it. Nobody would admonish me for being exactly the same without me mentioning it to them.

You're pretty early in your career to be so sure "there are no consequences for my actions". It's possible you'll get away with it. It's possible also that you'll get discovered, fired from all three jobs, and then have a situation where it becomes difficult to get a non-entry job because you don't have any experience you can refer to. Also, what university was this? It doesn't sound like mine.

Companies often do not check resumes deeply. To prevent discovery at one job from having cascading effects, I had fake jobs on my resume to get the other two. Pretended to be my own manager for the background check for one of them.

I am getting friends into tech firms with six figure salaries with nearly entirely manufactured resumes.

I admit that there is risk, but the payoff is also tremendous and there seem to be next to no barriers to well constructed fakery.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I've been on the other side of this, hiring fake people. I'm actually going to stop using Upwork after almost 10 years. It's such a cesspool of fraud now that I can't figure out how to find the honest people. As an example, I recently hired someone who showed his face on video and had great communication skills. Next time we did a call, he had no video and sounded totally different. It turned out to be a subcontracto…

Seems like this can be solved with a quick address verification no?

How? And what would their address tell me?
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