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Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Everything is money. But! There are subcultures that are hard to monetize though, e.g. furry subculture since it comes with so much pornography. No brand wants to be close to that. At this point, as a furry artist, I feel it's refreshing that this very weird and mostly harmless adult nature keeps the rest of the art also somewhat safe and in the hands of small artists.

Yeah, it is nice being in at least one fandom that is mostly left alone from most of the mainstream. One thing I love about the greater furry community is that a LOT of art gets aggregated to a certain site, which I am sure you are aware of, that puts high value on proper sourcing/tagging. (And still respects the wishes of the creators) Maybe unrelated: Do you think furry commissions are so expensive because so many…

There's tons of broke-ass furries who can't afford a ton of commissions. There's also a lot of furries with tech jobs who have more money than they know what to do with, and are willing to pay artists fees that approach a significant percentage of what the techie's hourly wage works out to.

Furry art is a significant part of my income and trust me: furry commissions are crazy cheap. Yes, even that one guy charging in the low four figures - he does some pretty complex work that I'd charge four figures for too, if I was willing to work that long on a client's piece.

I could be making a lot more money if I'd stayed in the animation industry, or if I was hunting corporate illustration work. But then I'd have to deal with much tighter deadlines, restrictive style guides, clients who really have no idea what they want and no idea how to articulate how what I just spent a while working on fails to capture what they want, figuring out how to make the lucrative but incredibly boring world of, say, standardized shipping pallets visually interesting, and a whole bunch of office politics. Drawing happy animal-headed people having a good time is a lot more fun. It's nice when a corporate gig comes my way now and then because it can pay a few months rent, but it definitely takes its toll in the amount of tedious bullshit I have to deal with.

I'd also maybe have things like "health insurance" and "a retirement fund" but, hey. It's a tradeoff.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #55

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Precisely. It isn't fun or weird because YOU aren't fun or weird. If you were fun or weird you'd already know where all the fun and weird stuff is.

Another aspect is that your view of the internet, which on its own is incomprehensibly large, is largely shaped by the tools you use to interact with it. It's difficult to become aware of just how much your choice of internet gateway will shape your view of what exists. If your primary mechanism is Hacker News, the internet is going to look like it's dominated by a bunch of startups and open source projects. If your…

My navigator tends to remember the websites I view more, which are mostly communities, and I tend to click on the links it has when the browser opens. So I tend to use these communities as the internet gateway as you say - like hacker news! This concept of the internet gateway and the perceptual islands of ideas is really interesting, I think you should someday write about this.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. I've spent the last year or so building tools and algorithms specifically to dig up "fun and weird". It's still there: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

>All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. In other words, it's a bunch of dead websites and there is little incentive to create anything out of the ordinary.

Dead in what sense?

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #81

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>I wonder why it wasn't viable. Because for the most part, people making content would rather earn money for their content than not earn money. The silos of TikTok and Instagram and YouTube allow for sufficiently low transaction costs such that this market of advertisers interested in buying attention and content creators interested in buying money can exist. Maybe stumbleupon was too early, but the fact that the app…

An economic explanation makes sense. I wonder if a monetizable ecosystem could exists with longer form content in multiple forms, ie. multimedia, a word that has almost disappeared. There is Patreon, Substack, Youtube and others that does work, the problem lies in the curation and personalisation that seems to have gone out the window replaced by algos and simple designs with bland and uninspired designs and concepts…

I wish the app moguls would just give us a "Turn off Personalization" option and let me explore freely. I turn off all history tracking on YouTube, but it doesn't matter. Whether it's on or off, you can't explore a topic deeply. You have 1-2 videos on the subject, then you have completely random unrelated click-bait garbage.

Even music apps are disappointing. Sometimes they do well, but most of the time it seems not. I play a radio station for Mat Corby, which is a pretty chill downtempo vibe, and the app throws in stuff from my library that has no relation--like Kanye West's Jesus Walks. Literally did that multiple times. Those vibes could not be more different.

Maybe cataloging music is a difficult problem, but there was a time (maybe 2010?) when YouTube would efficiently suggest music that had a vibe to what I was listening to, and it helped me find many artists I listed to now.

Edit: And a time when Apple's Genius was not a bad house party DJ

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Yeah, it is nice being in at least one fandom that is mostly left alone from most of the mainstream. One thing I love about the greater furry community is that a LOT of art gets aggregated to a certain site, which I am sure you are aware of, that puts high value on proper sourcing/tagging. (And still respects the wishes of the creators) Maybe unrelated: Do you think furry commissions are so expensive because so many…

There's tons of broke-ass furries who can't afford a ton of commissions. There's also a lot of furries with tech jobs who have more money than they know what to do with, and are willing to pay artists fees that approach a significant percentage of what the techie's hourly wage works out to. Furry art is a significant part of my income and trust me: furry commissions are crazy cheap . Yes, even that one guy charging i…

>Furry art is a significant part of my income

looked up your art, pretty cool style youve got going.

And yeah, corporate anything can be a pretty miserable experience.

Also, maybe I shouldve added a /s to my implication that most if not all furries are somewhat wealthy.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #9

I remember the thousands of interesting and weird pages listed on StumbleUpon - directories of obscure topics, avant garde art projects and detailed field specific blogs - many of them both pretty and thoroughly made. Mind expanding stuff. I feel like today all of that has moved to silos like tiktok and instagram, in extreme short form formats that are easily disposable - so almost no one creates truly great "compila…

My site [1] tends to get linked to by these kinds of things (well, more than by normal things) so I've found a few just through referrer traffic, and joining webrings has been fun too.

https://gossipsweb.net

https://fediring.net

https://nightfall.city

https://linkbudz.m455.casa

https://indieblog.page

https://indieweb.xyz

https://stumblingon.com

https://webring.dinhe.net

https://hotlinewebring.club

https://handmade-web.net

https://biglist.terraaeon.com

https://xn--sr8hvo.ws

https://nownownow.com

https://blogsurf.io

https://theforest.link

There's a ton of cool stuff going on on the internet, much even public, but the ethic by which things are shared still seems to me to resemble these insights: https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web Thinking of things as small social niches is helpful in figuring out where the best bits are.

[1] https://maya.land :)

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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IMO it's not just about being bite-sized, memeable content catering to the lowest common denominator. It's that nearly everyone making content is copying marketing strategies. Back then it was more of a show-and-tell vibe, now everything is trying to sell something.

Everyone has become a sellout. When I was growing up this was considered a bad thing. Today it’s a virtue.

Maybe less virtue and more necessary evil. It was a lot easier to not be a sellout in the economic boom of the 90s when you could find that paid the bills. The younger generation now is barely scraping by. They aren't into hustle culture because they love it, they do it because they're broke.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #9

I remember the thousands of interesting and weird pages listed on StumbleUpon - directories of obscure topics, avant garde art projects and detailed field specific blogs - many of them both pretty and thoroughly made. Mind expanding stuff. I feel like today all of that has moved to silos like tiktok and instagram, in extreme short form formats that are easily disposable - so almost no one creates truly great "compila…

Read Something Interesting (www.readsomethinginteresting.com) is a great compilation of interesting blog posts, I've spent many an long afternoon discovering new blogs there.

Seconding this, Read Something Interesting is amazing.
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